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a little special something for all of you if you are interested in German night fighter types. ... |
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04-07-2005, 11:18 AM
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#1 | | the old Sage
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Guten morgen Freunden !
a little special something for all of you if you are interested in German night fighter types. Here is the downloadable version of this early German Nachtjäger from Dan's extensive web-site...... http://www.histavia21.net/MAN217/do217-%20N1.htm
my cousin and ace Hans Baer flew a Do 217N for a period of time in 1942 in 4./NJG 3 before the transfer of Bf 110G-4's into his staffel.
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11-11-2005, 05:37 PM
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#2 | | the old Sage
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Country: | just thought I would mention that Daviod Williams book will cover 1-2 profiles of D0 217N's in his first volume of nachtjäger jagdwaffe series of classic publicatgions just released in the UK .........
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11-11-2005, 05:49 PM
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#3 | | Senior Member
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Country:  | Good info Erich, awesome firepower by the way  4x mg-151. 
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11-11-2005, 06:05 PM
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#4 | | the old Sage
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yes it was the Do 217 that was first tested with the upward firing 2cm Schrägwaffen via Rudi Schonert before Paul Mahle got ahold of the item and made it from mockup to reality in his 5./NJG 5 Bf 110G-4 staffel and soon after all NJG 5 a/c were equipped ............... | |
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11-12-2005, 01:38 AM
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#5 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | Erich I know about the upward firing weapon, was there also a downward firing one for anti tank purposes?
__________________  US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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11-12-2005, 09:05 AM
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#6 | | the old Sage
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Country: | Adler used experimentally on the Hs 129 and teh Fw 190F. also an upward type used with the Me 163 Komet on experimentation.
The Schräge Musik was entirely the Night fighters
Bf 110G-4
Ju 88C, G's
Do 217's
He 219A's
and a host of smaller twin engines we would never think of. Talk of one in the Bf 109G and Me 262A | |
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11-12-2005, 09:41 AM
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#7 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Cool thanks that is what I thought.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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11-12-2005, 02:15 PM
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#8 | | Master of Ewes
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11-12-2005, 02:41 PM
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Do-217 night fighter with 4 x 7,92 mm and 4 x 20 mm in the front, and 4 x 20mm Mg-151 in the Schräge Musik emplacement.
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11-13-2005, 06:33 AM
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#10 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | I really wonder how accurate that system would have been.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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11-13-2005, 01:22 PM
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#11 | | the old Sage
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Country: | 4 2cm in the Schrägwaffen position was proved to much. the whole understructure of the ehavy 4 eninge bomber was torn to pieces and the Do 217 crew suffered with falling debris. Reduction to two 2cm was powerful enough to do the job. the four mg's in the front were not enough, and with heavy arms the Do 217 was a lumbering truck just like the first He 219A-0's. too much of a good thing and then with all the experimentation of what 3m weapons to use in the undertray, wastage of this and the machines not to operative units, thusly only four 2cm's were needed as it had already been priven with the Ju 88G variants but it took the Nachtjagd too long to figure it out........ | |
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11-13-2005, 01:26 PM
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#12 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | How accurate though was it in hitting its intended target.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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11-13-2005, 01:31 PM
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#13 | | the old Sage
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Country: | it did the job but in my data it appearead the forward arms were used more, it again the Do 217 was used primarily for a test bed and then implemented by August 43 in NJG 5's Bf 110G-4's, since the big truck Do 217 was being phased out. Only Do 217's NJg 4 remained till spring of 44 in some staffels apparently. | |
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11-13-2005, 02:11 PM
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#14 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | The foward arms seem they would be more effective to me.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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12-28-2005, 12:11 PM
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#15 | | the old Sage
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Country: | actually slightly off the topc head, but have any of you gents recently picked up Classic Pubs Nachtjäger volume and also volume 2 yet, written by author David Williams ? also released in the staes through Specialty press. the first volume evidently has a profile of a Do 217 in my cousins former staffel 4./NJG 3.
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