 | Dog fights on the History channel| Aviation Discuss Dog fights on the History channel in the World War II - Aviation forums; Originally Posted by Njaco
And don't misconstrue the stopping of the Wehrmacht at Moskow as a great Russian triumph. ... |
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Originally Posted by Njaco  And don't misconstrue the stopping of the Wehrmacht at Moskow as a great Russian triumph. Without overstretched supply lines and change of objectives, the jack-boots would have been heard stomping all the way to the Pacific. | Changing objectives when you're 20 miles away from The Red Square? LOL!
Soviet intelligence in Japan in Fall 1941 repeatedly reported that Japan had no immediate intention to attack USSR. And soon after the Pearl Harbor 20 russian divisions were withdrawn from the Far East and sent to the Eastern Front. Those 20 fresh, well equipped, siberian divisions played decisive role in defeating german armies in the outskirts of Moscow in December 1941, throwing them back 300km away. Nothing else. | 
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05-01-2008, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by stasoid Invasion of Poland? Without a single shot fired? What's your defenition of invasion? Why didnt Poland fight back?
Answer is simple: those territories of western Ukraine and Belarus had never belonged to Poland. Poland stole them from Russian Empire thanks to revolutionary chaos in Russia in 1917-20, Stalin returned them back and now those lands are parts of Ukraine and Belarus as they used to be for 1000 years. Poland has never claimed them back. |  Ignorance of some people is just shocking... | |
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The Poles didn't want the Russians there. They didn't want liberation. They didn't have a cruel dictator like Saddam Hussein controlling them, until Hitler showed up, and when Stalin took them over he wasn't a whole lot better. They were happy the Russians destroyed the control of Hitler over them, but they would have been much happier if the Russians had left them alone after WWII and didn't establish a Communist State in Poland.
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Originally Posted by Soundbreaker Welch? The Poles didn't want the Russians there. They didn't want liberation. They didn't have a cruel dictator like Saddam Hussein controlling them, until Hitler showed up, and when Stalin took them over he wasn't a whole lot better. They were happy the Russians destroyed the control of Hitler over them, but they would have been much happier if the Russians had left them alone after WWII and didn't establish a Communist State in Poland. | I dont think Stalin really wanted to establish a Communist State in Poland (extremely religious people, catholic country, close ties with UK, etc...), but in the Cold War reality he had no other choice. For centuries, invaders from the West had been coming through polish territory, on and on again, so Russia fought wars on its own soil with devastating results for its civilian population. last war claimed 27 million lives. So, maybe Stalin though: enough is enough and he did what he did, guaranteeing peace for his people for at least some time. Sounds cinical now, but those were brutal times and he was a brutal dictator.
If Pols didnt want someone to liberate them, they should have fought, like Serbs and other Yugoslavian peoples did, sacrificing almost 2 million lives. | |
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05-01-2008, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by stasoid I dont think Stalin really wanted to establish a Communist State in Poland (extremely religious people, catholic country, close ties with UK, etc...), but in the Cold War reality he had no other choice.
He specifically agreed to permit free elections in Poland and return sovereignty and self government to the Poles. That was one of many agreements he 'broke'.
He certainly had the 'choice', the commitment and the obligation. He reneged on all three.
For centuries, invaders from the West had been coming through polish territory, on and on again, so Russia fought wars on its own soil with devastating results for its civilian population. last war claimed 27 million lives. So, maybe Stalin though: enough is enough and he did what he did, guaranteeing peace for his people for at least some time. Sounds cinical now, but those were brutal times and he was a brutal dictator.
If Pols didnt want someone to liberate them, they should have fought, like Serbs and other Yugoslavian peoples did, sacrificing almost 2 million lives. | You may recall the Poles uprising in Warsaw, while Uncle Joe held his position and encouraged the Germans to slaughter them.
He 'tolerated' Tito because he was a Communist, not because they 'sacrificed'.
Did you by chance notice any attempts by Austria and West Germany to flee 'en masse' to be part of the great People's Revolution? Or South Korea or Japan or Turkey? When the USSR disintegrated did you see Czechoslovakia or East Germany gleefully embracing a Communistic Government after the blissful years under the boot of the USSR.
I am sure they remembered the good old days under Soviet control an candidly am mystified over them believing personal rights and freedoms had any place in this world. Might you enlighten us? | |
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05-01-2008, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Udet People, please do not disturb this post-communist cockatoo that just entered the forum. His postings are fun. | Adrian - as always you cut 'right to the chase'. Give my very best to your sister and invite her to join in the fun!
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05-02-2008, 07:58 AM
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05-02-2008, 08:36 PM
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Country: | or pure dogfighting from North Africa. Hey how about the defense of Malta by a few obsolete bi-planes! This series could go on and on. And I hope it does.
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Country: | They could a lot of good stuff on the Russian Front.
Erich Hartmann, P-39's, Sturmoviks, Stalingrad, ect.
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