 | Dog fights on the History channel| Aviation Discuss Dog fights on the History channel in the World War II - Aviation forums; Originally Posted by Njaco
I agree with you Jug, that was the goal. And sorry for the rough "butt&... |
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Originally Posted by Njaco  I agree with you Jug, that was the goal. And sorry for the rough "butt" language. 
Charly, I haven't seen that. The ones I have watched have that - at least most I've seen. | its ok, but mussolini´s butt should was furrowed not rough... 
back to the dogfights, i have seem that episode about wwI and i cant believe the german triplane made that weird manouver "turn around by its own axis".
i also seem an episode of israeli air force, the guy talking about an egiptian mig 21 pilot who make an unbelievable manouver, like, stops in the air by vertical totally straight few meters from the dusty ground of desert.
should dogfights contains some "fisher stories" ?
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One of those episodes also has a P-51 side-slipping to avoid a Bf 109 and getting off a snap shot.
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Country: | I saw that episode too, NJACO. And it wasn't a side slip, but rather an almost cobra-like maneuver. The pilot notes that the maneuver required full aft stick and right full rudder. While the graphics were certainly crude, it looked like the result was immediate loss of airspeed and spin induced. The maneuver was noted as being dangerous because of possibility of stall (and thus easy target during recovery). Looked more dangerous because you might exceed max wing loading. The maneuver looked physically impossible, but again I think that was poor graphics demonstrating the real phyics and 3-dimensional relationship between the P-51 and Bf-109.
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It might be inaccurate, but one thing to remember is by that time the Luftwaffe had lost almost all of its good pilots. They had planes left but no pilots. So they put some young guys with no training in the planes and sent them off to die as the luftwaffe last hurray. | |
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Originally Posted by whoever It might be inaccurate, but one thing to remember is by that time the Luftwaffe had lost almost all of its good pilots. They had planes left but no pilots. So they put some young guys with no training in the planes and sent them off to die as the luftwaffe last hurray. | Really? And where did you come up with that?
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Originally Posted by ONE_HELLCAT I think it's just one two hour episode. I saw the second half a while back and I wasn't impressed. Partly because they made the F-22 look too superior to other aircraft. I mean, it's a great plane, but I'm sure more than one would be shot down when attacked by I think two waves of Russian planes. | I had several long conversations with a RAF Wing CO of Eurofighters and F-22 pilots at Davis Monthan back in April. I was particularly interested in the RAF pilot observations.
His primary observation was that it was 'that good'.
He felt he might have a chance if he could just get a visual on the F-22 but the experience in the joint exercises is that you 'were dead' long before a visual sighting was possible.
He also commented that the Euro was a better ACM a/c than the F-15 and 16 but the game today for the 'conventional' a/c is the bigger radar and the longer range missles - that the vision of the 60's is reality today. | |
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Originally Posted by drgondog I had several long conversations with a RAF Wing CO of Eurofighters and F-22 pilots at Davis Monthan back in April. I was particularly interested in the RAF pilot observations.
His primary observation was that it was 'that good'.
He felt he might have a chance if he could just get a visual on the F-22 but the experience in the joint exercises is that you 'were dead' long before a visual sighting was possible.
He also commented that the Euro was a better ACM a/c than the F-15 and 16 but the game today for the 'conventional' a/c is the bigger radar and the longer range missles - that the vision of the 60's is reality today. | Heh, sounds exactly as I imagined. But in the show, didn't the Su-47 get in visual range of the F-22? it's been a while since I saw it. | |
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Country: | It's sounds pretty cool. This time the show will have REAL planes flying in it. about: Showdown: Air Combat: Military Channel
SHOWDOWN: AIR COMBAT has not been cancelled! We're just taking a little time to finish up the last couple of episodes. New SHOWDOWNS are on their way!
The Military Channel takes you on an aerial journey with a world premiere series, SHOWDOWN: AIR COMBAT.
Tune in and see recreations of history’s most compelling dogfights with the restored aircraft from every era of aerial warfare flying against each other.
U.S. Air Force Major Paul “Max” Moga of the Air Combat Command’s 1st Fighter Wing hosts the series and offers amazing insight into each aircraft’s strengths and weaknesses, its place in the evolutionary timeline of aircraft design innovation and the ground-breaking dogfighting tactics employed in each confrontation.
From a chase plane, Major Moga provides play-by-play commentary of the fast-paced action as you fly alongside these historic warbirds.
But the show is not just a celebration of the aircraft’s technical glory, Major Moga also introduces you to the extraordinary pilots who flew these planes on their original missions.
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