Dog fights on the History channel

pbfoot · 08-18-2008, 08:53 PM

There program guide indicates a 109 and 190 where are they getting these

ONE_HELLCAT · 08-18-2008, 10:16 PM

Although they're real, they hardly dogfight with them. For the majority of the show they still use 3D models, which aren't as good as Dogfight's. Most of the planes are from Chino's Planes of Fame. Also I think the narrator's a little annoying. It's probably just me, but it sounds like he's bragging about being an F-22 pilot.

As for using 109s and 190s, I'm guessing rebuilds.

timshatz · 08-19-2008, 07:29 AM

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Also I think the narrator's a little annoying. It's probably just me, but it sounds like he's bragging about being an F-22 pilot.

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Reminds me of a joke. "How can you tell if a guy is a fighter pilot"

"Don't worry, he'll tell ya'."

timshatz · 08-19-2008, 07:31 AM

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I think it's dead. But maybe competition from "Showdown: Air Combat" might bring it back.

Bummer. They got a new head over at the History channel. Some chick with a BC resume. Hard core lib. Gone from shows like dogfights to Ice Road Truckers and Ax Men. I guess it must be working for them. Lost me it doesn't seem to bother them that much.

Lucky13 · 08-19-2008, 10:07 AM

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Bummer. They got a new head over at the History channel. Some chick with a BC resume. Hard core lib. Gone from shows like dogfights to Ice Road Truckers and Ax Men. I guess it must be working for them. Lost me it doesn't seem to bother them that much.

Time for a wee email to History Channel, asking what the f*ck Ice Road Truckers and Ax Men have to do wit history????

timshatz · 08-19-2008, 05:17 PM

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Time for a wee email to History Channel, asking what the f*ck Ice Road Truckers and Ax Men have to do wit history????

I agree with ya'. Wish I had a stitch of confidence that it would work. Corporations don't care about anything but the bottom line and the stock price. If she can get eyes on the tube putting Ice Road Truckers on the lineup, she'll do it.

Probably cheaper to produce anyway.

ONE_HELLCAT · 08-19-2008, 11:34 PM

I doubt it's cheaper. In Ice Road Truckers you have to send a camera crew and all up north. In Dogfights, invite a few historians and pilots and the rest is done on computers.

Lucky13 · 08-21-2008, 12:26 AM

Think that I'll send them an email to see what or more likely, IF I get a reply....

BIG BIRD · 08-30-2008, 01:33 PM

I herd that the dogfights show will be cannceled after the secend season.

JugBR · 09-01-2008, 11:44 AM

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I doubt it's cheaper. In Ice Road Truckers you have to send a camera crew and all up north. In Dogfights, invite a few historians and pilots and the rest is done on computers.

man, i dont know if you guys like, but i think this show of the ice trukers is totally useless. worst shof of documentary channels ever !

about dogfights i just think these historians they call are not that good and the show dont tell the war stories of both sides. that episode about "the death of luftwaffe" was R I D I C U L O U S ! since that day i dont watch that show anymore. too much biased, as you guys like to say...

from HC i liked that documentary "battlefield" from 96 or 97... why dont they just reprise that ? was awsome !

kool kitty89 · 09-01-2008, 05:19 PM

Aparently that is the worst episode in terms of baias, there have been a couple previous complaints about that particular one on here. However I can't speak specifically about it sisnce I haven't seen it. (I've seen all but a couple episodes and, while there is some bias shown in some circumsatances, on the whole most of the episodes are prette decent in this respect)

BIG BIRD · 09-01-2008, 10:58 PM

I only wach the dogfights show because of the cool animation. There is just to much baias involved. Often times after I wach a episode I have to go pacing around fuming at the historical atrocitys they comit without any signes of remorse. They once stated that the p-61 was the only night fighter designed from the ground up. that is not true look at the hienkal he 219. They even say that a p-47 as supirior firepower to the fw 190 a-8 and that a p-38 can out turn a me 109. I think that these facts are blanch lies but I would like to know what the rest of the war bird comunity has tosay about these subjects.

kool kitty89 · 09-02-2008, 12:16 AM

Some of those facts are debatable, it would depend on the circumstances. (iirc in the case of the P-38, the pilot had said the thing about the turning ability, this was with the early J model iirc)

I thought the P-61 thing was on a Discovery channel doccumentery, not the history channel.

In any case, probably the 2 mos capable nightfighters of the war were not designed as such, the Mossie and the Ju 88. (they were, however, both designed as fast bombers)

I tend to not put a lot of attention toward most of the technical/performance stuff they go into, the strenths/advantages that are listed (in the side-by-side comparison) are often incomplete, as are the explanations. (sometimes the historians/comentary/pilots get cut-off too early and part of the explanation is lost)

I ljust like haveing the stories told and the pilots interviews, The graphics are good sometimes, but they're also wrong sometimes too.

BIG BIRD · 09-02-2008, 10:59 PM

I noticed that all the enemy aircraft always have the same paint schmes.

kool kitty89 · 09-02-2008, 11:40 PM

How so? Do you mean all the LW aircraft? Or do you mean that for a given enemy (German, Japanese, N.Korean, N.Vietnamese, and those of the several episoded dealing in the middle east) all the a/c shown from that country have the same paint scheme?

Personally I haven't noticed either of these cases, the paint shemes may be a bit off, or completly wrong in some circumstances. They all seem to vary somewhat, at the very least between a/c types and between episodes.