Dog fights on the History channel

[Soren]

Originally Posted by kool kitty89

Some of those facts are debatable, it would depend on the circumstances. (iirc in the case of the P-38, the pilot had said the thing about the turning ability, this was with the early J model iirc)

It doesn't matter which P-38 model it was cause no P-38 model could outturn any Bf-109 or Fw-190. The single seat fighters are simply vastly lighter compared to their available lift & thrust.

[kool kitty89]

Even if we compare a Bf 109G-6 with a low/medium altitude rated engine to a P-38J at 25-30,000 ft?


Anyway, the P-38 was a single seat fighter, albeit not a single engined one.

[Soren]

Originally Posted by kool kitty89

Even if we compare a Bf 109G-6 with a low/medium altitude rated engine to a P-38J at 25-30,000 ft?

Well it depends on the difference in power to weight ratio then, and the P-38J better have a huge advantage in this area if it wants to fight in the horizontal with the Bf-109 at any altitude.

Anyway, the P-38 was a single seat fighter, albeit not a single engined one.

Whoops! My mistake, I meant single engined fighters ofcourse

[kool kitty89]

For some reason that seems to be a fairly common mistake with the P-38 (and occasionally with other single-seat twins). In several articles on such a/c I see statements like "it could hold it's own with single seat fighters" or "a twin engine design that would have the performance of a single seat fighter."

[BIG BIRD]

With the paint schemes it seams that they have a standard color for the enemy plane of one type or another and all of them have the same paint. I have seen the same paint skeem on fw 190 on almost all episodes and same thing with the mig 15, 19, 21. me 109 always have the same paint schemes when atacking bombers and only rarly have alterrations and I have never senn to me 262 painted diferently.




With the p-38 it couldent hold its own against a single engene fighter in a turning fight because its engenes produced to much drag during a turn and would cause spin outs if the piolt turned to tightly. With the push pull twin engen configuration[like the do 335] it has a centure even line of weight wich reduces drang and increuses role. You can emagine an egene on each wing would have the oppisite affect.

[ONE_HELLCAT]

If I recall correctly, most allied aircraft on the show also all share the same paint scheme except sometimes the specific plane they're talking about, which makes sense to since that's the star. As for the Black Widow being the "only" one built from the ground up, they could just be talking about only allied aircraft.

I'm not saying the show doesn't have a biased or is always accurate, just some of the things you described can be easily explained.

[lesofprimus]

Its a fu*kin AMERICAN show, for American viewers... Americans, in general, wanna see a show about American fighters and pilots, and how Americans won the War...... Of course its gonna be biased....

As for the incorrect info, paint schemes etc etc, I dont pay that much attention to that, as the show is for entertainment, not educational lessons...

Compalin all u want to, when this show is cancelled, ur gonna bitch that its gone, so enjoy it and the re-runs while they last fellas...

[JugBR]

Originally Posted by lesofprimus

Its a fu*kin AMERICAN show, for American viewers... Americans, in general, wanna see a show about American fighters and pilots, and how Americans won the War...... Of course its gonna be biased....

As for the incorrect info, paint schemes etc etc, I dont pay that much attention to that, as the show is for entertainment, not educational lessons...

Compalin all u want to, when this show is cancelled, ur gonna bitch that its gone, so enjoy it and the re-runs while they last fellas...

thats why the show will be cancelled, because its a fo*kng american show, not a good one ! i really do prefer watch the "ancient technologies" for the 10000000th time that watch a show wheres people dont know the diference between flaps and ailerons. and im not pilot ! geeeeeezzzusss !

i wont gonna bitch thats gone, i dont watch that anymore since i realized its not good. and many people did the same, thats why the show will be canceled.

american choppers is an american show too, mithbusters are also a american show, dirty jobs...etc. but they are good, maybe because theyre from discovery ?

[VALENGO]

The stories seems a little bit exaggerated for me, but it is an incredible tutorial about 3D modelling and texturing.

[B-17engineer]

One episode was set in 1943 and they were talking about a P-51 being chased by 109's wasn't the P-51 introduced in '44

YouTube - DOGFIGHTS, P38 LIGHTNING VS ME 109

It says it at 2:00 min

[drgondog]

Originally Posted by B-17engineer

One episode was set in 1943 and they were talking about a P-51 being chased by 109's wasn't the P-51 introduced in '44

YouTube - DOGFIGHTS, P38 LIGHTNING VS ME 109

It says it at 2:00 min

Didn't watch it but the first Mustang I and P-51As were flying in 1942. The P-51B-1 first combat mission was 12/1/1943 with 354FG led by 4th FG CO Don Blakeslee out of Boxted.

[Njaco]

thats why the show will be cancelled, because its a fo*kng american show, not a good one ! i really do prefer watch the "ancient technologies" for the 10000000th time that watch a show wheres people dont know the diference between flaps and ailerons. and im not pilot ! geeeeeezzzusss !

and there we have why "Beverly Hillbillies" is still in reruns!

[JugBR]

man HC is 30% interesting stuff, 70% ufos, big foots, biased docs...

when discovery will decides make a show about ww2 pilots, you guys will easily forget the lame dogfights of HC.

[kool kitty89]

One funny thing in the clip "P-38 vs Me 109" (Episode Title is Air Ambush) is that when they drop their tanks the P-38's pylons fall off along with the tanks.


I personally won't forget the show though, if for no other reason than that I first saw it last summer while in vacation in Washington DC, after after visiting the NSAM that day. (that's when I started to get seriously interested in this stuff)

[JugBR]

yes i understand, but my point is HC is not a serious channel anymore.