 | Dog fights on the History channel| Aviation Discuss Dog fights on the History channel in the World War II - Aviation forums; Yeah, but at least there are some good pilot interviews in Dogfights along with (sometimes) decent depiction in CGI, and ... |
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09-10-2008, 01:37 AM
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Country:  | Yeah, but at least there are some good pilot interviews in Dogfights along with (sometimes) decent depiction in CGI, and occasionally some good additions from the historians. (or "consultants") At least it has somthing to do with history.
Certainly far from perfect, but they could do, and apparently are doing, much worse. | 
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09-10-2008, 04:03 PM
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Country: | Alright thanks... | |
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09-10-2008, 08:39 PM
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Country: | Another thing I noticed wrong about those P-38's in "Air Ambush" is that the propellers are rotating the wrong way. (inward at the top of the disc instead of outward)
When I watched that episode I didn't think of any problem with a P-51 being there. Besides, that was part of the Olds's story, so it wouldn't have been an inaccuracy on the show's part. Also the thing abou the maneuverability of the P-38 vs 109 was also a quote from him, not a statement made by the historians.
However the P-38's are modeled as P-38J's (the prominant chin intakes clearly visible), but this is August of '43 and those would have to be brand new planes to be J models. | |
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09-10-2008, 08:40 PM
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Country: | Yea the show can be a little inaccurate | |
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09-10-2008, 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by B-17engineer  Yea the show can be a little inaccurate | It's no worse than a lot of WWII movies that use wartime footage of equipment and aircraft that didn't exist in the time-frame of the movie's story. One of the common ones are scenes of a flight of F4Fs followed by ones of F6Fs which didn't exist at the time.  | |
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09-11-2008, 09:16 AM
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Country: | Rumor is that Dogfights has been dropped. Read on the HC boards that the decision is a year old. Had a ratings dip when they moved it from one night to another and that was pretty much that.
A lot of people are pretty pissed at the HC because it shows so little history anymore. At least to read the boards. Too bad. Used to be a good channel. | |
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09-11-2008, 07:29 PM
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Country: | The writer's strike probably had something to do with it too. (as with several other shows that may not have been dropped otherwise) | |
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09-11-2008, 07:32 PM
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Country: | was able to see the Bodenplatte episode, aka Asch airfield scenario and to tell the truth it was the best one I have seen. Actually wish I had a copy of it .... | |
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09-12-2008, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Erich was able to see the Bodenplatte episode, aka Asch airfield scenario and to tell the truth it was the best one I have seen. Actually wish I had a copy of it .... | If you have Tivo, or any DVR Recorder, you can set it to Record and it grabs them whenever they show. Usually, they are on once a month. | |
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09-12-2008, 09:46 AM
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Country: | I saw a history show on youtube.com talkining about the mig 15. They even went as fare to say the mig 15 was superior to the f-86. that show was from a long time ago. i think they called it heavy metal. The point is the current day histery channel would never have a show about a russian jet and they would even call inferior to the f-86 when in the past they called it superior.
The current history channel is going to the dogs. 
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09-12-2008, 07:03 PM
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Country: | Technology wise the F-86 was superior. (radar-ranging sight, fully boosted controls, truely trassonic -can safely break Mach 1.0-) But overall you'd have to go more into it than that to compare them, but generally speaking there about as even a match as there's been in arial warfare.
A pretty good comparison: Sabre vs MiG | |
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09-14-2008, 05:26 PM
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| Well the F-86 also benefitted more from German help, the Americans possessing some of Germany's top engineers. The Soviets had also captured German engineers scientists, but they're production couldn't manufacture the advanced German designs and so compromises had to be made. The Soviets always thought of quantity over quality.
The western production technology was better suited for the advanced technology captured in Germany.
The Sabre design did for example take advantage of many of the inventions on the Me-262, such as the full span slats vastly improving turn performance, stalling and landing characteristics, z variable incidence horizontal stabilizer etc etc.
The MIG-15 featured wing fences to combat tip stalls, not the ideal solution but cheaper, quicker & less complicated to manufacture.
__________________  We have built a total of about 1250 of this aircraft (Me-262), but only fifty were allowed to be used as fighters - as interceptors. And out of this fifty, there were never more than 25 operational. So we had only a very, very few.
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09-14-2008, 07:17 PM
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Country:  | both the sabre and the mig 15 design was very influentiated by me p.1101 Messerschmitt Me P.1101 Luft '46 Entry
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09-15-2008, 03:05 PM
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| Yeah well the MIG-15 was abit more influenced by the Ta-183 design.
__________________ We have built a total of about 1250 of this aircraft (Me-262), but only fifty were allowed to be used as fighters - as interceptors. And out of this fifty, there were never more than 25 operational. So we had only a very, very few.
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