Dog fights on the History channel - Aircraft of World War II

Erich · 06-26-2007, 06:08 PM

well I am not for supporting this bogus outfit but I received an email from a good German friend and ex-pilot of the LW. His story covering the Rammkommando Elbe (false name actually) will be aired on Dogfights I believe on the History Channel July 13, 07 in the USA. Sorry not sure when the episode will be covered elsewhere in Europe or ....... ? In any case he has been assured that the History Channel writers are not going to add nor subtract from his story and service record during the war for this part. there may even be some coverage on the Sturmgruppen, happy thought indeed ....

Erich

lesofprimus · 06-26-2007, 07:25 PM

Ill be lookin foward to that episode...

Erich · 06-26-2007, 07:33 PM

bud his name is Fritz Marktscheffel, formerly of NJG 101 and then into day fighter school and then..........well listen to his story, the man is a great guy in all respects

lesofprimus · 06-26-2007, 07:39 PM

Excellent...

FLYBOYJ · 06-26-2007, 09:18 PM

Very cool - I do like that show even though sometimes the "experts" they bring on board are very lame. They just had an episode about Vietnam that featured Dan Cherry and Fred Omstead - two Mig killers. My father in law recently met both these guys and flew with them in L-39s.

timshatz · 06-26-2007, 09:42 PM

Cool. Great graphics on that show. Good show. No idea about the accuracy of the stories, seemed ok, sometimes a little sensational. But that probably draws eyes to the show.

Glad it made it to the second season.

Hunter368 · 06-26-2007, 11:38 PM

I liked the shows they were cool.

timshatz · 07-09-2007, 03:35 PM

Season Two for Dogfights starts this Friday. Here is the list of the shows as they were post on the History Channel Website:

Season TWO
JET ACES
Capt. James Jabara makes history in the skies over MiG Alley by downing two MiG-15s to become the first American jet ace. The episode also includes spectacular fights with Hoot Gibson and Ralph Parr.

THUNDERBOLT!
Episode features the legendary P-47 Thunderbolt and the courageous pilots who flew them - including Robert S. Johnson's fight where a German Fw190 unloads all of his ammo into the Thunderbolt but can't knock it down. The show also details fights with Thunderbolt Aces Donald Bryan and George Sutcliffe.

DELTA WIND WARRIORS
Israeli pilots, flying fighters designed with the innovative delta wing, duel with the best Arab pilots. Ran Ronen, in his delta wing Mirage, battles a Jordanian Hawker-Hunter fighter, chasing him down a canyon for eight minutes. He eventually shoots the enemy plane and the pilot ejects sideways into the canyon wall! Also, Israel's top ace, Giora Epstein, flies his Mirage against a Sukhoi-7 and bags his first kill. Later, Epstein goes head-to-head against the enemy's own delta wing fighter - the feared MiG-21.

GUN KILLS OF VIETNAM
In a war where most of the kills were with long-range missiles, the most exciting dogfights were decided with guns. A-1 Skyraiders down a MiG-17 with 20mm cannon. Phil Handley, flying mach1.2, downs a MiG-21 with his guns to record the first supersonic gun kill in history.

LAFAYETTE ESCADRILLE/AMERICA'S FIRST ACE
Raoul Lufberry, along with 38 other Americans, pioneer dogfighting tactics flying as mercenaries with the French Air Service. In the legendary Obendorff raid Lufberry scores his fifth kill to become America's first ace.

BLOOD OVER BAGHDAD
The planes have changed but the jeopardy remains the same. American fighter pilots pit F-15s against Iraqi MiG-25s and advanced MiG-29s. Included are fights with USAF pilots Steven Tate, Cesar Rodriguez, Craig Underhill, and Richard Tollini.

THE BLUE-NOSED BASTARDS
The 352nd fighter group flew P-51 Mustangs with a distinctive blue-nose paint scheme that gave them their name. They became one of the most decorated fighter squadrons in the European theater. Including Don Bryan's ace-in-a-day mission. Also, Alden Rigby and Sandy Moats down four German planes apiece in a legendary dogfight.

THE BLUE-NOSED BASTARDS
The 352nd fighter group flew P-51 Mustangs with a distinctive blue-nose paint scheme that gave them their name. They became one of the most decorated fighter squadrons in the European theater. Including Don Bryan's ace-in-a-day mission. Also, Alden Rigby and Sandy Moats down four German planes apiece in a legendary dogfight.

THE BLOODIEST DAY
May 10, 1972. The bloodiest day of air combat during the Vietnam war featured numerous twisting and turning dogfigts. Bob Lodge and Roger Locher pioneer electronic warfare and engage in one of the most exciting air battles of the war.

BATTLE OF THE FALKLANDS
The 1982 Argentine invasion of the Falkland Islands triggered war with the United Kingdom. Remarkable vertical take-off and landing Sea Harriers take on Mirages and A4s in some of the best dogfights of the modern age. The British establish air superiority but the Argentines sink several ships with wave-top level attacks in A4s.

DUEL OF THE ACES
Shorty Rankin is an American ace pilot in one of the most distinguished fighter groups in the history of air combatthe 56th FG. Gunther Rall is a top German ace, now transferring from the Eastern front to face the American threat in the west. They're on a collision course...and their fates will be decided in a historic dogfight on May 23, 1944.

FLYBOYJ · 07-09-2007, 03:37 PM

Cool!

Erich · 07-09-2007, 04:01 PM

interesting, don Bryan of the 352nd is more known for his P-51 exploits, a great guy, I put up his Ar 234 encounters somewhere on these forum(s). Ace Alden Rigby sure has some good stores to tell; another fine man.

that last one is somewhat of a crack up to me. Rall against 5 P-47 Jugheads yeah that is really a fair fight, and yet Rall only lost a thumb showing just what kind of a hot shot pilot he really was.

the episode that I speak of is the 2nd part of Kamikaze so I am told

Njaco · 07-10-2007, 11:37 AM

Erich, I may be alittle fuzzy, but you said Rammkommando Elbe was a false name? Is the proper term Werewolf?

lesofprimus · 07-10-2007, 08:24 PM

Kamikaze isnt even a listed Episode Erich...

pbfoot · 07-10-2007, 09:49 PM

A lot of the dogfight slips are on youtube for you guys without access
YouTube - Dogfights: James Swett - Wildcat Ace

Lucky13 · 07-11-2007, 12:43 PM

I enjoyed the show and I hope that it will evolve and go beyond the second season. Hopefully we'll see some about nightfighers, and special operations like Operation Chastise, Operation Jericho and the attacks on the Gestapo headquarters in Aarhus, Kopenhagen, Oslo and the Phillips factory....

Erich · 07-11-2007, 12:45 PM

Les I saw a Kamikaze thing on the 13th of the month in the evening, the Elbe interviews along with J Crandalls is during the second of the two hour segment.

06-26-2007, 06:08 PM	#1
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	Dog fights on the History channel well I am not for supporting this bogus outfit but I received an email from a good German friend and ex-pilot of the LW. His story covering the Rammkommando Elbe (false name actually) will be aired on Dogfights I believe on the History Channel July 13, 07 in the USA. Sorry not sure when the episode will be covered elsewhere in Europe or ....... ? In any case he has been assured that the History Channel writers are not going to add nor subtract from his story and service record during the war for this part. there may even be some coverage on the Sturmgruppen, happy thought indeed .... Erich

06-26-2007, 07:25 PM	#2
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 17,506	Ill be lookin foward to that episode... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk

06-26-2007, 07:33 PM	#3
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	bud his name is Fritz Marktscheffel, formerly of NJG 101 and then into day fighter school and then..........well listen to his story, the man is a great guy in all respects __________________ Rip it up !

06-26-2007, 07:39 PM	#4
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 17,506	Excellent... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk

06-26-2007, 09:18 PM	#5
FLYBOYJ IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 16,051	Very cool - I do like that show even though sometimes the "experts" they bring on board are very lame. They just had an episode about Vietnam that featured Dan Cherry and Fred Omstead - two Mig killers. My father in law recently met both these guys and flew with them in L-39s. __________________ "IF ITS RED OR DUSTY, DON'T TOUCH IT"

06-26-2007, 09:42 PM	#6
timshatz Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Phila, Pa Posts: 3,446	Cool. Great graphics on that show. Good show. No idea about the accuracy of the stories, seemed ok, sometimes a little sensational. But that probably draws eyes to the show. Glad it made it to the second season.

06-26-2007, 11:38 PM	#7
Hunter368 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Winnipeg Posts: 2,240	I liked the shows they were cool. __________________ "Ivan the Terrible or Russian Achilles" Ivan Kozhedub - Hero of the USSR (x3), Order of Lenin (x2), Order of Red Banner (x7), Order of Alexander Nevsky, Order of the Great Patriotic War (x2), Order of the Red Star (x2), 62 kills during 1943-1945

07-09-2007, 03:35 PM	#8
timshatz Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Phila, Pa Posts: 3,446	Season Two for Dogfights starts this Friday. Here is the list of the shows as they were post on the History Channel Website: Season TWO JET ACES Capt. James Jabara makes history in the skies over MiG Alley by downing two MiG-15s to become the first American jet ace. The episode also includes spectacular fights with Hoot Gibson and Ralph Parr. THUNDERBOLT! Episode features the legendary P-47 Thunderbolt and the courageous pilots who flew them - including Robert S. Johnson's fight where a German Fw190 unloads all of his ammo into the Thunderbolt but can't knock it down. The show also details fights with Thunderbolt Aces Donald Bryan and George Sutcliffe. DELTA WIND WARRIORS Israeli pilots, flying fighters designed with the innovative delta wing, duel with the best Arab pilots. Ran Ronen, in his delta wing Mirage, battles a Jordanian Hawker-Hunter fighter, chasing him down a canyon for eight minutes. He eventually shoots the enemy plane and the pilot ejects sideways into the canyon wall! Also, Israel's top ace, Giora Epstein, flies his Mirage against a Sukhoi-7 and bags his first kill. Later, Epstein goes head-to-head against the enemy's own delta wing fighter - the feared MiG-21. GUN KILLS OF VIETNAM In a war where most of the kills were with long-range missiles, the most exciting dogfights were decided with guns. A-1 Skyraiders down a MiG-17 with 20mm cannon. Phil Handley, flying mach1.2, downs a MiG-21 with his guns to record the first supersonic gun kill in history. LAFAYETTE ESCADRILLE/AMERICA'S FIRST ACE Raoul Lufberry, along with 38 other Americans, pioneer dogfighting tactics flying as mercenaries with the French Air Service. In the legendary Obendorff raid Lufberry scores his fifth kill to become America's first ace. BLOOD OVER BAGHDAD The planes have changed but the jeopardy remains the same. American fighter pilots pit F-15s against Iraqi MiG-25s and advanced MiG-29s. Included are fights with USAF pilots Steven Tate, Cesar Rodriguez, Craig Underhill, and Richard Tollini. THE BLUE-NOSED BASTARDS The 352nd fighter group flew P-51 Mustangs with a distinctive blue-nose paint scheme that gave them their name. They became one of the most decorated fighter squadrons in the European theater. Including Don Bryan's ace-in-a-day mission. Also, Alden Rigby and Sandy Moats down four German planes apiece in a legendary dogfight. THE BLUE-NOSED BASTARDS The 352nd fighter group flew P-51 Mustangs with a distinctive blue-nose paint scheme that gave them their name. They became one of the most decorated fighter squadrons in the European theater. Including Don Bryan's ace-in-a-day mission. Also, Alden Rigby and Sandy Moats down four German planes apiece in a legendary dogfight. THE BLOODIEST DAY May 10, 1972. The bloodiest day of air combat during the Vietnam war featured numerous twisting and turning dogfigts. Bob Lodge and Roger Locher pioneer electronic warfare and engage in one of the most exciting air battles of the war. BATTLE OF THE FALKLANDS The 1982 Argentine invasion of the Falkland Islands triggered war with the United Kingdom. Remarkable vertical take-off and landing Sea Harriers take on Mirages and A4s in some of the best dogfights of the modern age. The British establish air superiority but the Argentines sink several ships with wave-top level attacks in A4s. DUEL OF THE ACES Shorty Rankin is an American ace pilot in one of the most distinguished fighter groups in the history of air combatthe 56th FG. Gunther Rall is a top German ace, now transferring from the Eastern front to face the American threat in the west. They're on a collision course...and their fates will be decided in a historic dogfight on May 23, 1944.

07-09-2007, 03:37 PM	#9
FLYBOYJ IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 16,051	Cool! __________________ "IF ITS RED OR DUSTY, DON'T TOUCH IT"

07-09-2007, 04:01 PM	#10
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	interesting, don Bryan of the 352nd is more known for his P-51 exploits, a great guy, I put up his Ar 234 encounters somewhere on these forum(s). Ace Alden Rigby sure has some good stores to tell; another fine man. that last one is somewhat of a crack up to me. Rall against 5 P-47 Jugheads yeah that is really a fair fight, and yet Rall only lost a thumb showing just what kind of a hot shot pilot he really was. the episode that I speak of is the 2nd part of Kamikaze so I am told __________________ Rip it up !

07-10-2007, 11:37 AM	#11
Njaco The Pop-Tart Whisperer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: South Jersey, United States Posts: 10,237	Erich, I may be alittle fuzzy, but you said Rammkommando Elbe was a false name? Is the proper term Werewolf? __________________ "If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it's English, thank a soldier!" http://www.njcacoa.org/

07-10-2007, 08:24 PM	#12
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 17,506	Kamikaze isnt even a listed Episode Erich... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk

07-10-2007, 09:49 PM	#13
pbfoot Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: niagara falls Posts: 5,588	A lot of the dogfight slips are on youtube for you guys without access YouTube - Dogfights: James Swett - Wildcat Ace

07-11-2007, 12:43 PM	#14
Lucky13 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A Swede living in Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 15,144	I enjoyed the show and I hope that it will evolve and go beyond the second season. Hopefully we'll see some about nightfighers, and special operations like Operation Chastise, Operation Jericho and the attacks on the Gestapo headquarters in Aarhus, Kopenhagen, Oslo and the Phillips factory.... __________________ JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!"

07-11-2007, 12:45 PM	#15
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	Les I saw a Kamikaze thing on the 13th of the month in the evening, the Elbe interviews along with J Crandalls is during the second of the two hour segment. __________________ Rip it up !

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