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09-05-2005, 02:19 PM
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#76 | | Senior Member
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Country:  | Together they could if France had led. It's more France's fault than Britain's because Britain couldn't act alone. Just making sure you, and everyone understands that.
With alteration to the South Park song; "Blame France!"
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09-05-2005, 02:24 PM
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#77 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | No it was the Allies fault, they did not exploit it. France was not the only allied nation.
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09-05-2005, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by plan_D The whole world from 1933-1938 admired Germany, and that includes America. | Most people in America despised the nazi's. Dont have any illusions about it. Isolationism did not mean approval.
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09-05-2005, 04:31 PM
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#79 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | That is true, nobody liked the Nazi's outside of Germany.
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09-06-2005, 12:51 PM
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Country: | How is it all the Allies fault? Britain could not act without France. It took the action of France to get Britain in a situation where it could fight. France was the bulk of the Allied force, Britain was the minority. It was France's fault nothing was done. Had Britain attacked on it's own they would have been beaten back because Germany, even though it was in Poland at the time, still had superior defensive forces to the 350,000 ill-equipped BEF.
Really? They despised the Nazis? Is that why Hitler was Times Magazine Man of the Year: 1938? America thought the world of Germany for dragging itself out of a hole.
Adler, just watch "The World at War" episode called "We're on our Way" about the Americans. Listen to what the people say they interview there.
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09-07-2005, 01:02 PM
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#81 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Plan_D again did I say anywhere that it was all Englands fault. No I did not. Please stop acting like everyone is personally attacking England. It was the Allies fault as a whole.
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09-07-2005, 06:06 PM
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Country: | It wasn't the Allies fault as a whole though. It was only France that could have acted. How would it have been any of the other Allies fault when they couldn't act without the support of France?
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09-08-2005, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by plan_D Really? They despised the Nazis? Is that why Hitler was Times Magazine Man of the Year: 1938? America thought the world of Germany for dragging itself out of a hole. | The Time "man of the year" is for anyone that has had an impact on the world........ its not for popularity or approval.
A few vocal people singing their praises of Hitler did not indicate the vast majority of people hated him.
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09-08-2005, 12:27 PM
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#84 | | He who does not skim
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Country:  | It still wouldn't be nearly as bad as the Canadian athletes flashing Hitler the Nazi salute at the 1936 Olympic games in Berlin, as they marched past. 
They weren't the only team to do so, but still. Many wrongs in no way make a right. | |
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09-08-2005, 01:27 PM
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#85 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | That I did not know, did they really do that?
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09-08-2005, 01:47 PM
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#86 | | He who does not skim
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Country: | Yep. The athletes from some countries did. Mine was one of them. The mentality being "When in Rome...". It still doesn't make it right. | |
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09-08-2005, 03:20 PM
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#87 | | "Shooter"
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Country:  | I don't think in 1936, anyone had any idea what was to come. The evil came after that.
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09-08-2005, 10:03 PM
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Country: | The U.S had it's own Nazi party. There were many people that had deep respect for Germany and it's reorganisation of industry. As evan correctly stated, not many people understood what Germany was doing in 1936.
It seems to me that you find the idea of Americans praising Nazis as insulting. Well, it certainly shouldn't be because it did happen. And I know that British praised Germany too. People from all over the world praised Germany and the Nazis. They did not know the facts and they did not know what was coming.
The only man I know of that saw Germany as a threat was Churchill whom stated in 1934; "Germany is becoming the next great threat in Europe".
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09-08-2005, 10:38 PM
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#89 | | He who does not skim
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Country: | Yes, even little ol' Canada had a Nazi party. The Parti national socialiste chrétien (National Socialist Christian Party), founded in Québec in the 1930's. | |
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09-09-2005, 10:26 AM
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#90 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Crazy. I always new there was a US Nazi party before WW2. It was called the German-American Bund and was headed by Fritz Kuhn. There are still several Nazi Parties in the US still today, most formed after the war such as the American Neo-Nazi party formed in 1959.
American Nazi Party
Aryan Nations
Aryan Brotherhood
Creativity Movement (formerly World Church of the Creator)
Libertarian National Socialist Green Party
National Alliance
National Socialist Party of America
National Socialist Movement (NSM8 
NSDAP-AO
Overthrow.com (Bill White)
White Aryan Resistance
Ofcourser there are also Nazi Parties in Germany also still today such as the NDP and The Republikaner.
In my opinion though all of these groups are just ignorant fools that have no education.
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