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02-05-2006, 11:40 AM
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I heard recently that if the energy plants in Germany had been targeted more, then the industry in Germany would have collapsed much more quickly. Does anyone know anything about this? | 
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02-05-2006, 12:46 PM
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Country:  | Oil plants should have been targeted more, but the destruction of their energy would have been wise. Against common belief, from day one the synthetic oil industry of Germany was a target. Even with Ploesti, Germany could not sustain a war without it's synthetic oil. Unfortunately, the RAF didn't have the capability to wage effective, full scale, destruction of the oil plants. It took the combined effort of both the RAF and USAAF to put real weight down on the oil plants.
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02-05-2006, 06:57 PM
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| I certainly agree with the oil bombings, but I cannot imagine how the energy could have shut down on a larger scale, it wasn´t possible in Korea, it wasn´t possible in Vietnam, hell even in Iraq it was achieved only partly...
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02-05-2006, 07:04 PM
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Country: | Vietnam, Korea and Iraq are hardly comparable nations to the industrial Germany of World War II. I think a heavy bombardment against the German energy resource would have caused major disruption - but the sole bombing effort should have been against the oil. No doubt about that.
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02-06-2006, 01:21 AM
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Country:  | what kind of energy plants were built during those days? fossil fuel burning plants?
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02-06-2006, 09:50 AM
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Country: | Everything that is built today except nuclear power plants. Britain was the first nation with a nuclear power plant, built in 1956 I believe.
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02-06-2006, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by plan_D .....but the sole bombing effort should have been against the oil. No doubt about that. | I agree with you on that. If the RAF and 8th AF began the air offensive against the oil plants in mid 1943, then the Reich would have collapsed far sooner.
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02-06-2006, 12:13 PM
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| True. I estimate that due to the long distances of deployed forces the Panzer would in serious conditions by early 1944 according to the Reichs fuel reserves in 1943. The bomber fleet would have been forced to disappear by early to mid 1944 as well. I expect the fighter force and subs would still have enough fuel to conduct some service till the total breakdown, in this szenario probably by late 1944.
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02-06-2006, 05:09 PM
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Country: | The RAF did concentrate on oil production plants in 1940 - 1941. They lacked the aircraft and the accuracy to make it count though.
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02-07-2006, 11:10 AM
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| As far as "energy plants," I know every had heard of Hydro-electric and the Dam Busters!
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02-08-2006, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by plan_D Everything that is built today except nuclear power plants. Britain was the first nation with a nuclear power plant, built in 1956 I believe. | Actually...
The Americans were first with the experiemental reactor that produced the plutonium for the first atomic bombs. The EBR-I experimental fast breeder in Idaho, USA, was the first to generate electricity, though not for any commerical purpose, it was just an test one basically.
The Soviets strangely enough were the first to connect a nuclear power plant to the national grid on 27th June 1954 in Obninsk, USSR. The British were second with theirs at Sellafield in 1956 (though the British one was much more powerful than the Soviet one) and the US came to the party shortly after in 1957.
Amusingly and infamously, the head of the US atomic energy comission or whatever it was called back then, said that nuclear power would be 'too cheap to meter' and that there would be 1000 nuclear plants in the US by the year 2000. (There isn't even half that amount worldwide) I have strange affection for the 1950s and all the crazy nuclear ideas they had back then (including the NB-36H test aircraft that flew with a nuclear powered engine  ).
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02-08-2006, 11:11 AM
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I have strange affection for the 1950s and all the crazy nuclear ideas they had back then (including the NB-36H test aircraft that flew with a nuclear powered engine ).
| I know what you mean. The NB-36H is scary, just like the 1950s habit of dropping the odd h device here and there.
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02-09-2006, 07:58 PM
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Country: | Well, I sit corrected. Thanks for the information.
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02-10-2006, 11:54 AM
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Country: | i wan't aware the NB-36H actually flew, i thought it never left the design stage as they thought it'd be too heavy?
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