F4U-4 Vs FW190 D9 - Aircraft of World War II

jugggo · 10-23-2009, 08:43 AM

Looking for opinions on this. As in which aircraft would out perform the other in a 1-on-1. Or any other 190 for that matter. But since I do not know much about 109s 0r 190s I picked the Dora 9.

Soundbreaker Welch? · 10-23-2009, 10:55 AM

This should have a poll. That would be fun!

Honestly, I'm not sure which to pick. They both had similar frames, and the performance of both was both pretty close.

I'm not sure if the FW 190D was better at high altitude or not.

beaupower32 · 10-23-2009, 11:44 AM

Its a tough tough one, but I would probably give it to the F4U-4 Corsair.

jugggo · 10-23-2009, 12:17 PM

I know me to since the Corsair is my all time favorite ride

Bug_racer · 10-23-2009, 12:46 PM

This really is close . Both are great planes . Did they ever go up against each other ? Were any Corsairs delivered to Europe ?

tomo pauk · 10-23-2009, 12:52 PM

Went for the Corsair.
It could tangle with D-9, plus it was carrier capable and with superior range.

Corsairs were deployed at Europe, one of the tasks being escort mission(s?) against Tirpitz.

vonmallard · 10-23-2009, 12:53 PM

the Royal Navy operated the F4U in an operation against the Tirpitz in Norway. Haven't seen where any FW's were used against them thou I think a few Me-109's were engaged.

jugggo · 10-23-2009, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vonmallard

the Royal Navy operated the F4U in an operation against the Tirpitz in Norway. Haven't seen where any FW's were used against them thou I think a few Me-109's were engaged.

Hmm thats interesting, I wonder if they were as pesky as the A6m's.

tomo pauk · 10-23-2009, 01:20 PM

Were A6Ms that pesky? Me-109 was much tougher opponent.

jugggo · 10-23-2009, 01:32 PM

Yeah from what I have read. Since they had the better rate of turning at slower speeds. The Wildcat,Hellcat,Corsair, and P40 had to use their power to their advantage ie Boom and Zoom tactics.

beaupower32 · 10-23-2009, 02:18 PM

Back on topic, Im posting a .pdf that was a trial between the F4U, F6F, and Fw-190 A-4. I know that it isnt the F4U-4 and Fw-190 D-9, but it should give us a Idea on how the two would compair. I got this from WWII Aircraft Performance

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 10-23-2009, 02:30 PM

I think as with all of the top fighters you are going to have to break this down into more areas. What conditions are they meeting at such as Altitude? Every aircraft has its optimal area, and the areas that it is weak and strong it.

Bill posted an interesting comparison here a while back from some flight tests a while back, that broke it down through altitude.

Colin1 · 10-23-2009, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beaupower32

Back on topic, Im posting a .pdf that was a trial between the F4U, F6F, and Fw-190 A-4. I know that it isnt the F4U-4 and Fw-190 D-9

The -4 was a significantly better performer than the -1
it could nudge 450mph (vs around 420mph for the -1, or closer to the performance of the D-9), climbed ferociously and had better combat acceleration than the P-51D. Overall manoeuvrability was excellent though I doubt any naval bird (with folding wings) could follow the 190 in the roll, they were difficult enough to follow anyway.
Notwithstanding that, I think the F4U-4 had enough in other-performance characteristics, gunnery skill levels and tactics to defeat a similar formation of Fw190D-9s at the latter's best altitude, or down on the deck.

beaupower32 · 10-23-2009, 02:43 PM

I know that the -4 was a way better aircraft then the -1. I posted it to give a general idea of how the later aircraft might compair to each other.

mike526mp · 10-23-2009, 03:48 PM

someone posted this site and comparison above, i'll post it again,

F4U Performance Trials

From what i read the FW-190 was not a very good airplane in any form (i do think it is one of the best looking airplanes if that is of any coselation), unreliable, had a good roll rate, but probably the worst turning radius of just about anything, and had a habit of stalling in tight turns. the F4U and F6F were found to be much more manuaverable than the FW-190..

as quoted from the above link from pilots that flew them both in side by side test, "It is not equal to either the F4U or F6F in combat. All pilots agreed the F4U or F6F would be prefered in actual combat operations."

just about everything we had was a better fighter.

View Poll Results: As in which aircraft would out perform the other in a 1-on-1
F4U-4	15	55.56%
FW190 D9 (or other 190 variants)	12	44.44%
Voters: 27. You may not vote on this poll

10-23-2009, 08:43 AM	#1
jugggo Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 10	F4U-4 Vs FW190 D9 Looking for opinions on this. As in which aircraft would out perform the other in a 1-on-1. Or any other 190 for that matter. But since I do not know much about 109s 0r 190s I picked the Dora 9.

10-23-2009, 10:55 AM	#2
Soundbreaker Welch? Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 1,893	This should have a poll. That would be fun! Honestly, I'm not sure which to pick. They both had similar frames, and the performance of both was both pretty close. I'm not sure if the FW 190D was better at high altitude or not. __________________ "His motor's conked out!" "What's the differance, they're all Nazis!" "Luke, shut up!" "Fear the hook!" "Oh.....I wanna fly." "You mean the kind that go under water and fly up the stairs?" "What you doing? Oh Nooooo!"

10-23-2009, 11:44 AM	#3
beaupower32 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Charleston, South Carolina Posts: 721	Its a tough tough one, but I would probably give it to the F4U-4 Corsair. __________________ The four elements: Earth, Air, Water, and Fire. Of these, I call your attention to two: Air and Fire. Though it is your privilege to live in the air, you will die by fire.

10-23-2009, 12:52 PM	#6
tomo pauk Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 578	Went for the Corsair. It could tangle with D-9, plus it was carrier capable and with superior range. Corsairs were deployed at Europe, one of the tasks being escort mission(s?) against Tirpitz. __________________

10-23-2009, 12:17 PM	#4
jugggo Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 10	I know me to since the Corsair is my all time favorite ride

10-23-2009, 12:46 PM	#5
Bug_racer Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Sydney Posts: 55	This really is close . Both are great planes . Did they ever go up against each other ? Were any Corsairs delivered to Europe ?

10-23-2009, 12:53 PM	#7
vonmallard Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hampton Roads, Virginia Posts: 10	the Royal Navy operated the F4U in an operation against the Tirpitz in Norway. Haven't seen where any FW's were used against them thou I think a few Me-109's were engaged. __________________ I wish I was what I was when I wished I was what I am now

10-23-2009, 01:20 PM	#9
tomo pauk Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 578	Were A6Ms that pesky? Me-109 was much tougher opponent. __________________

10-23-2009, 01:32 PM	#10
jugggo Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 10	Yeah from what I have read. Since they had the better rate of turning at slower speeds. The Wildcat,Hellcat,Corsair, and P40 had to use their power to their advantage ie Boom and Zoom tactics.

10-23-2009, 02:30 PM	#12
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	I think as with all of the top fighters you are going to have to break this down into more areas. What conditions are they meeting at such as Altitude? Every aircraft has its optimal area, and the areas that it is weak and strong it. Bill posted an interesting comparison here a while back from some flight tests a while back, that broke it down through altitude. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

10-23-2009, 02:43 PM	#14
beaupower32 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Charleston, South Carolina Posts: 721	I know that the -4 was a way better aircraft then the -1. I posted it to give a general idea of how the later aircraft might compair to each other. __________________ The four elements: Earth, Air, Water, and Fire. Of these, I call your attention to two: Air and Fire. Though it is your privilege to live in the air, you will die by fire.

10-23-2009, 03:48 PM	#15
mike526mp Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 26	someone posted this site and comparison above, i'll post it again, F4U Performance Trials From what i read the FW-190 was not a very good airplane in any form (i do think it is one of the best looking airplanes if that is of any coselation), unreliable, had a good roll rate, but probably the worst turning radius of just about anything, and had a habit of stalling in tight turns. the F4U and F6F were found to be much more manuaverable than the FW-190.. as quoted from the above link from pilots that flew them both in side by side test, "It is not equal to either the F4U or F6F in combat. All pilots agreed the F4U or F6F would be prefered in actual combat operations." just about everything we had was a better fighter.

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