Favourite Airframe and Engine Combo - Aircraft of World War II

Smokey · 12-22-2006, 06:49 PM

If you could choose any prop fighter airframe which saw service in ww2 and fit any internal combustion engine which saw service in ww2, which would they be?

Mine would be a Yak 3 fitted with a Daimler Benz DB 605 ASC (M) engine

Apparently the Yak 3 could achieve 401 mph with a 1290 hp Klimov VK 105 engine, which seems quite respectable

Jank · 12-22-2006, 07:25 PM

I'd pair the P&W R-2800 with the P-47 bubble canopy ... uh ... yeah.

FLYBOYJ · 12-22-2006, 08:26 PM

A P-38 with 2 Merlins, just for the hell of it!

pbfoot · 12-22-2006, 08:40 PM

Alright how about a Fairey Swordfish with a Pratt Whitney R4360

FLYBOYJ · 12-22-2006, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbfoot

Alright how about a Fairey Swordfish with a Pratt Whitney R4360

Don't you mean a Pratt Whitney R4360 with a Fairey Swordfish?

Jabberwocky · 12-22-2006, 09:08 PM

Bristol Centarus with a Whirlwind airframe, for the ultimate low alt Jabo.

Griffon 85 with a Mosquito XVI airframe.

Jumo 213 with a Ki-61

Gnomey · 12-22-2006, 09:08 PM

I would say Spitfire with a Merlin but that would kind of defeat the point of this.

So in that case I will say P-38 or Whirlwind with twin Merlins or Griffons.

johnbr · 12-22-2006, 10:53 PM

Mosquito with RR Crecy
Fw 190D with DB603n
BV 238 with four Lycoming XR-7755
B24 with RR Pennine.

Soren · 12-22-2006, 11:43 PM

A Bf-109 with a nice DB-603 engine equipped with the MW and GM system

Or how about a Fw-190 Dora equipped with a Jumo 222 C/D engine with a output of 2,206 KW at Take Off power, or a Jumo 211 J with a output of 1,912 KW at Take Off power.

Jumo 222

net_sailor · 12-23-2006, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by johnbr

Fw 190D with DB603

Did you ever heard about Fw 190D-14 prototypes, or Ta 152C variants?

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 12-23-2006, 06:28 AM

Well since this is about your favorite not about the best I would take a Bf-109 with a DB-605DM or L.

net_sailor · 12-23-2006, 11:16 AM

My favorite hybrid is Spitfire Mk.V with Bf 109G engine (i.e. DB 605A). All the best of both types in one aircraft!

Unreal Aircraft - Hybrid Aircraft - Supermarine/Daimler-Benz Spitfire

mkloby · 12-23-2006, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

Well since this is about your favorite not about the best I would take a Bf-109 with a DB-605DM or L.

very nice! The Bf 109... particularly F variants, has always been my favorite airframe... there's just something magical about them...

delcyros · 12-23-2006, 01:06 PM

simple and sound:

airframe: Me-163D, slightly modified to accomodate the
engine: HeS30, a lightweighted axial jet engine designed by Adolph Müller, which weighted 2.2 times the weight of the HWK 509 rocket engine but only half the weight of a Jumo-004B. This weight increase may be offsetted by fewer fuel capacity as the specific fuel consumption of the HWK is horrific in comparison to the HeS30.

dates for HeS30:

date of design: 1940
date of benchtests: 1942
date of service: never
ordering background: proposal for a class I-turbine (alike Jumo-004 and BMW-003), later rejected
because of avaiablity of Jumo and BMW-engines in this powerclass.....One of the few WRONG decisions the RLM did in jet propulsion.
compressor: 5 stage axial
turbine: 1 stage axial
weight (dry): 390 Kg (860 lbs) (for comparison: Jumo004: 730 Kg; BMW 003: 540 Kg)
Note that the construction of this engine was simplier than the Jumo but more difficult than the BMW.
compression ratio: 1:3
poweroutput: 860 Kp nominal (1896 lbs)
poweroutput enforced: 910 Kp benchtested (2006 lbs)
poweroutput designed: 1125 Kp (2480lbs) at 10500 rpm (for comparison: Jumo-004: 840-890Kp; BMW-003: 800Kp-927Kp enforced)
thrust to weight ratio: 2.205-2.333

This engine was unexceeded in the following aspects until the early 50´s:
-lowest frontal area
-lowest specific fuel consumption
-highest thrust- weight ratio

and now You have a nightmare fighter and a dream to fly...

johnbr · 12-23-2006, 05:02 PM

The DB603n had 800 to 1000 more power then the other DB603's
He 280 with He 30 and 3 MG 213 20mm
Horton HO 229 with HeS011c

12-22-2006, 06:49 PM	#1
Smokey Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 532	Favourite Airframe and Engine Combo If you could choose any prop fighter airframe which saw service in ww2 and fit any internal combustion engine which saw service in ww2, which would they be? Mine would be a Yak 3 fitted with a Daimler Benz DB 605 ASC (M) engine Apparently the Yak 3 could achieve 401 mph with a 1290 hp Klimov VK 105 engine, which seems quite respectable __________________ Moose, according to one study, kill about 11 people a year. "They can kick in all four directions," warns a biologist with the Alaska Department of Fish and Game, "and move like Muhammad Ali."

12-22-2006, 08:26 PM	#3
FLYBOYJ IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 16,051	A P-38 with 2 Merlins, just for the hell of it! __________________ "IF ITS RED OR DUSTY, DON'T TOUCH IT"

12-22-2006, 09:08 PM	#7
Gnomey "World Traveller" Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Royal Deeside/St Andrews, Scotland, UK Posts: 15,224	I would say Spitfire with a Merlin but that would kind of defeat the point of this. So in that case I will say P-38 or Whirlwind with twin Merlins or Griffons. __________________ "Success is not Final, Failure is not Fatal, it is the Courage to Continue that Counts" Sir Winston Churchill "To him the People of the World Largely owe the Freedom and Liberties they Enjoy Today" Enscription on Hugh Dowding's (AOC Fighter Command 1936-40) statue in London WW2 Talk: A WW2 Discussion Forum My Photo Collections on Flickr

12-22-2006, 11:43 PM	#9
Soren Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,116	A Bf-109 with a nice DB-603 engine equipped with the MW and GM system Or how about a Fw-190 Dora equipped with a Jumo 222 C/D engine with a output of 2,206 KW at Take Off power, or a Jumo 211 J with a output of 1,912 KW at Take Off power. Jumo 222 __________________ It was like being pushed by an Angel! - Adolf Galland I'm an educated engineer, so I love being technical and appraising of great inventions. So if you think I am being biased about something: Tell me! Then you'll probably find out that I am not

12-23-2006, 06:28 AM	#11
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	Well since this is about your favorite not about the best I would take a Bf-109 with a DB-605DM or L. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

12-22-2006, 07:25 PM	#2
Jank Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 679	I'd pair the P&W R-2800 with the P-47 bubble canopy ... uh ... yeah.

12-22-2006, 08:40 PM	#4
pbfoot Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: niagara falls Posts: 5,588	Alright how about a Fairey Swordfish with a Pratt Whitney R4360

12-22-2006, 09:08 PM	#6
Jabberwocky Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Japan Posts: 494	Bristol Centarus with a Whirlwind airframe, for the ultimate low alt Jabo. Griffon 85 with a Mosquito XVI airframe. Jumo 213 with a Ki-61

12-22-2006, 10:53 PM	#8
johnbr Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: London Ontario Canada Posts: 284	Mosquito with RR Crecy Fw 190D with DB603n BV 238 with four Lycoming XR-7755 B24 with RR Pennine.

12-23-2006, 11:16 AM	#12
net_sailor Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Elbląg/Poland Posts: 226	My favorite hybrid is Spitfire Mk.V with Bf 109G engine (i.e. DB 605A). All the best of both types in one aircraft! Unreal Aircraft - Hybrid Aircraft - Supermarine/Daimler-Benz Spitfire

12-23-2006, 01:06 PM	#14
delcyros Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Berlin (Kreuzberg) Posts: 1,726	simple and sound: airframe: Me-163D, slightly modified to accomodate the engine: HeS30, a lightweighted axial jet engine designed by Adolph Müller, which weighted 2.2 times the weight of the HWK 509 rocket engine but only half the weight of a Jumo-004B. This weight increase may be offsetted by fewer fuel capacity as the specific fuel consumption of the HWK is horrific in comparison to the HeS30. dates for HeS30: date of design: 1940 date of benchtests: 1942 date of service: never ordering background: proposal for a class I-turbine (alike Jumo-004 and BMW-003), later rejected because of avaiablity of Jumo and BMW-engines in this powerclass.....One of the few WRONG decisions the RLM did in jet propulsion. compressor: 5 stage axial turbine: 1 stage axial weight (dry): 390 Kg (860 lbs) (for comparison: Jumo004: 730 Kg; BMW 003: 540 Kg) Note that the construction of this engine was simplier than the Jumo but more difficult than the BMW. compression ratio: 1:3 poweroutput: 860 Kp nominal (1896 lbs) poweroutput enforced: 910 Kp benchtested (2006 lbs) poweroutput designed: 1125 Kp (2480lbs) at 10500 rpm (for comparison: Jumo-004: 840-890Kp; BMW-003: 800Kp-927Kp enforced) thrust to weight ratio: 2.205-2.333 This engine was unexceeded in the following aspects until the early 50´s: -lowest frontal area -lowest specific fuel consumption -highest thrust- weight ratio and now You have a nightmare fighter and a dream to fly... __________________ ---delcyros--- Last edited by delcyros; 12-23-2006 at 01:32 PM.

12-23-2006, 05:02 PM	#15
johnbr Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: London Ontario Canada Posts: 284	The DB603n had 800 to 1000 more power then the other DB603's He 280 with He 30 and 3 MG 213 20mm Horton HO 229 with HeS011c

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