fighter-killing bombers of WW2

[FLYBOYJ]

Here's a list of fighters killed by USN Bombers...

S2BC/SBW - 43
SBD - 138
TBF/TBM - 98
PB4Y - 210
PBY - 13
PB2Y - 5
PBM - 11
PV - 5

Thanks Lenord!

[syscom3]

Flyboy, those naval claims havent been vetted against actual Japanese loss's.

[delcyros]

My money would be on the B-17, too.
I think another possibility would be a plane with long service time during ww2. How about Ju-88 or He-111? Any numbers of claims published? I suspect they are highly overrated but this is typical for all contenders...

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by syscom3

Flyboy, those naval claims havent been vetted against actual Japanese loss's.

From a previous post..........

This cut and paste is from R Leonard - he has mounds of archives and records as his dad was a WW2 navy ace....

Japanese Major Aircraft Types Losses to Major USN Combat Types in Air-to-Air Action:

F6F - 5163
F4U/FG - 2137
FM - 422
F4F - 905
S2BC/SBW - 43
SBD - 138
TBF/TBM - 98
PB4Y - 210
PBY - 13
PB2Y - 5
PBM - 11
PV - 5
Total - 9150

At the same time the USN Losses and resultant Japanese:USN Ratio: -

F6F – 270; ratio = 19.1 to 1
F4U/FG - 189; ratio = 11.3 to 1
FM - 13; ratio = 32.5 to 1
F4F - 178; ratio = 5.1 to 1
S2BC/SBW - 18; ratio = 2.4 to 1
SBD - 79; ratio = 1.7 to 1
TBF/TBM - 47; ratio = 2.1 to 1
PB4Y - 28; ratio = 7.5 to 1
PBY – 36; ratio = 0.4 to 1
PB2Y - 0; ratio = 8.0 to 1
PBM - 3; ratio = 3.7 to 1
PV - 6; ratio = 0.8 to 1
Total - 867; ratio = 10.6 to 1

Japanese Losses by Type to USN Aircraft -
A6M Series - 3896
Ki-43 - 529
Ki-61 - 477
Ki-44 - 385
Ki-27 - 145
Ki-84 - 144
J2M - 49
N1K - 35
C6N - 55
Unident SE VF/VO - 247
D3A - 801
D4Y - 271
B5N - 203
B6N - 174
Unident S/E VB/VT - 51
A6M2-N - 71
E13A - 128
F1M - 47
Unident S/E Float - 96
G3M - 34
Ki-21 - 88
G4M - 477
Ki-46 - 82
Ki-45 - 77
J1N - 41
P1Y - 149
Ki-48 - 57
Ki-49 - 25
Ki-67 - 10
Unident T/E Combat - 227
Flying Boats - 69
Transports - 80
Trainers - 29
TOTAL - 9249

[syscom3]

It might be a shock to you, but Japanese sources say otherwise.

Sometimes the claims were close, sometimes exaggerated.

Same thing goes with the Jpanese claims of allied aircraft.

For example, look at the SBD claims, 138 kills? Those are totals that look more like a fighter group. Look at the PB4Y claims. 210? Thats quite some tally for an airplane that hardly saw any action in the the big air battles in the SW pacific, and CBI.

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by syscom3

It might be a shock to you, but Japanese sources say otherwise.

Sometimes the claims were close, sometimes exaggerated.

Same thing goes with the Jpanese claims of allied aircraft.

For example, look at the SBD claims, 138 kills? Those are totals that look more like a fighter group. Look at the PB4Y claims. 210? Thats quite some tally for an airplane that hardly saw any action in the the big air battles in the SW pacific, and CBI.

I'd like to see the sources for the Japanese claims - 138 kills for SBDs - that won't surprise me - on the other side 78 SDBs were lost to Japanese fighters

[Udet]

We have discussed this issue in past threads.

Also, we pretty much agreed bombers lose to fighters. Whatever the number of defensive guns carried in to attempt a defese against fighters, for as long as you fly inside that clumsy and hardly manouverable tube -especially the B-17- your many many times more nimble, agile, manouverable and faster enemy will make you bite the rocks with all your teeth in far, far bigger numbers.

Bombers, on their own, are losers.

[Udet]

you might find this link of interest:

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=785

[Gemhorse]

Definately the de Havilland Mosquito, it took care of a respectable number of enemy fighters...and before anyone jumps down my throat about the ''unarmed variants'', there were ''armed variants'' as well, especially the FB Mk. VI's, which were used to good effect besides the 'Strike Wings'.....

[elmilitaro]

The de Havilland one of the best and fastest bomber of WW2.



Especially if it was armed.