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Old 12-10-2006, 04:36 PM   #271
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Chris - don't forget about the sweet smell of jet exhaust! You know - I can't even land a plane in microsoft flight simulator. I crash the F'ing thing EVERY SINGLE TIME.
You need to put a kerosine lamp next to your computer!!!
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Old 12-10-2006, 04:46 PM   #272
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Chris - don't forget about the sweet smell of jet exhaust!
Yeap everytime we cranked up the engines and the wind was blowing in my direction I would allways saw over the ICS "I love the smell of burning JP8 in the morning."

Okay okay it is not as funny as the famous line from Apocolypse Now...

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You know - I can't even land a plane in microsoft flight simulator. I crash the F'ing thing EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Neither can I.
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I'm glad that I am not the only one who has trouble landing the plane on a sim, but manages it well enough for real.
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You can not compare landing a sim plane to a real plane. I dont care how realistic sim fans think it is.

Oh well I dont want to get into this whole discussion again sim vs. flying. We have covered it eneogh.
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Remember when you were 14 and you kept that Penthouse under your bed?
That's a sim. And when you finally got Debbie Sue into the backseat of your Trans Am? That was real...
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Yeah. Definitely no comparison.
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Remember when you were 14 and you kept that Penthouse under your bed?
That's a sim. And when you finally got Debbie Sue into the backseat of your Trans Am? That was real...
That is an interesting comparison but why does it have to be Debbie Sue?

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I'm hearing general agreement that the Fw-190D-9 was clearly superior to the P-51D at altitudes below 25000 ft.

It is also generally accepted that at altitudes over 25,000ft (certainly 30,000ft), the P-47D was superior to the Mustang.

Was the P-47D superior to the Fw-190D-9 over 30,000ft?
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The P-47D went the fastest at 30,000 feet with a maximum speed of 429 mph. Like the Mustang, it didn't go so fast at lower altitudes. The P-47M, if it had been around in large numbers, certainly would have given the FW pilots the shivers. A regular P-47D pilot talks of about the new coolness of the P-47M.

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These P-47M were real screamers. They added over 500 more horsepower under the hood. The 56th Fighter Group had gotten some of these, and we lucked out as well. Unfortunately they were not fitted with under wing racks so we had to use them in a strafing role only. We flew them along with 3 other P-47D's as a sort of an escort for the strafing unit.

I immediately laid claim to one. Performance of the P-47M-1-RE included a maximum speed of 400 mph at 10,000 feet, 453 mph at 25,000 feet, and 470 mph at 30,000 feet. Initial climb rate was 3500 feet per minute at 5000 feet and 2650 feet per minute at 20,000 feet. Range (clean) was 560 miles at 10,000 feet. Armament was six or eight 0.50-inch machine guns with 267 or 425 rpg. Weights were 10,432 pounds empty. 13,275 pounds normal loaded, and 15,500 pounds maximum. Dimension were wingspan 40 feet 9 3/8 inches, length 36 feet 4 inches, height 14 feet 7 inches, and wing area 308 square feet.

After my first or second combat mission with ``Wonderful Winnie" number three I met up with some P-51 Mustang pilots. By this time of the war escort planes were often freed from escort duty after their bombers had headed home. This left them available to attack ground targets and enemy planes heading back their bases. These guys thought they were real ``Hot Shots" and some of them were. A lot more were rookies in a hot plane that the Mustang certainly was. It did have a deficiency in the ground attack role. It had a water-cooled Rolls Royce engine. If it took any kind of hit in the cooling system, you had better look for a place to land or check your parachute. The engine would overheat and seize up in no time. Our P-47's had to be practically blown apart to go down. Guys, including me, came back with pistons shot out and the engine still kept going.

This group of guys came over as we headed back to our field. We gave them a wave and I got them on the radio. My sense of larceny got the best of me again and I challenged them to a race. There were four of them in this flight and I said, `` I `ll bet you $50.00 buck a piece I can beat you to the next town?" These guys thought I was nuts and immediately agreed. We exchanged particulars so someone could collect the debt. My Wingman climbed up along with me to 10000 feet to call the start of the race. We lined up as best we could and my Wingman gave the go. The P-51s's jumped out in front as I crammed the throttle forward. Slowly but inexorably I started to gain and pass these guys. I saw the look of incredulity on their faces as I pulled along side and passed each one. By the time we passed the outskirts of the town I was way out front. These guys were about ready to chew nails when they caught up to me again. No one had told them about this new plane and I certainly wasn't going to enlighten them. To their credit, a week or so later I got a letter in the mail with 200 clams in it. I managed to pull this trick several more times before guys got wise. I sent the money home to Winnie we put it to good use.

So, to the Mustang pilots out there, many thanks. Winnie and I appreciated your generosity.
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