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    German 262's shot down

    Do we know how many 262's were shot down?
    Not including ground kills or 262's that were shot down taking off and landing.
    Actual air to air kills.
    And what Allied aircraft shot them down?


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    Quote Originally Posted by bob44 View Post
    Do we know how many 262's were shot down?
    Not including ground kills or 262's that were shot down taking off and landing.
    Actual air to air kills.
    And what Allied aircraft shot them down?
    ME 262s went down to the following fighters that I know of:

    Spitfire IX and XIV
    P47D
    P51D
    La-7
    Tempest

    Tempests were perhaps the most successful 262 killers, downing 20 of the Jets. It might be difficult to define exactly how many of these kills were 'during landing' - the 262 took a very long time to get up to full power after laeving the ground, and and also had a very long approach, so technically many of the kills might be said to be during landing or take-off even when they occurred kilometers from the airstrip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CobberKane View Post
    ME 262s went down to the following fighters that I know of:

    Spitfire IX and XIV
    P47D
    P51D
    La-7
    Tempest

    Tempests were perhaps the most successful 262 killers, downing 20 of the Jets. It might be difficult to define exactly how many of these kills were 'during landing' - the 262 took a very long time to get up to full power after laeving the ground, and and also had a very long approach, so technically many of the kills might be said to be during landing or take-off even when they occurred kilometers from the airstrip.
    I don't know where the Tempest number came from but Thomas/Shores only gives 7 claims and 2 damaged Me262s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CobberKane View Post
    ME 262s went down to the following fighters that I know of:

    Spitfire IX and XIV
    P47D
    P51D
    La-7
    Tempest

    Tempests were perhaps the most successful 262 killers, downing 20 of the Jets. It might be difficult to define exactly how many of these kills were 'during landing' - the 262 took a very long time to get up to full power after laeving the ground, and and also had a very long approach, so technically many of the kills might be said to be during landing or take-off even when they occurred kilometers from the airstrip.
    The 8th FC were credited with (IIRC) ~ 139 air credits against German jets of all types and ~110 air to air victories over the Me 262. The 56th got 7 as the 'all P-47' equipped and I think the 78th and 353rd got a couple more before transitioning to 51's. The P-51 was close to 100 and the 8th FC lost 12-15 fighters to Me 262s.

    Also the P-51B scored a couple in fall 1944 (Ditto P-47M in 1945) - but have to check for totals.
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    So if the 8th shot down ~139 jets, how many losses did they suffer from the jets?

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    "The P-51 was close to 100 and the 8th FC lost 12-15 fighters to Me 262s."

    or are you asking how many fighters and bombers?

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    after studying this very interesting question for over 25 years have come up with about 125 262's and Arado 234/Me 163's shot down. still the question is the reality of the LW jet fighter pilots claims. JG 7 claimed 450 allied/soviet A/C alone, hardly true ...........
    Rip it up !

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbysocks View Post
    "The P-51 was close to 100 and the 8th FC lost 12-15 fighters to Me 262s."

    or are you asking how many fighters and bombers?

    Mmmmm, both I guess, just to see the numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorlifter View Post
    Mmmmm, both I guess, just to see the numbers.
    Thor - my 12-15 figure comes from a deep dive into the MACR's for 8th and 9th AF FC. I do not have bomber losses as I have not examined all the 8th 9th BC MACR's.

    The reason I have 12 is there is a definite link between an Eyewitness Report on the Macr involving a P-51 in combat with 262s.

    The additional three include those 'unknowns' in which 262s were identified in the area of loss.
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    The Me 262 was like shooting ducks in a barrel on take off and landing.

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    you guys remember the piston-engine jet A/C kills thread we started and was never finsihed ........in aviation forum I believe.
    Rip it up !

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnbr View Post
    The Me 262 was like shooting ducks in a barrel on take off and landing.
    Timing is everything - and also avoid the FW 190D airfield cover.
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    Dan O'Connell's Me 262 Production log lists the fate of 1200 of the roughly 1500 Me 262s produced. It's the best information available. Anyone with a spare day to trawl through the book could compile an accurate list of Me 262s shot down.

    Steve

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    We have an old thread that deals with recip/jet kills, not only from WW2 but in the post war years. I'll try to dig it up.

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