 | German carriers| Aviation Discuss German carriers in the World War II - Aviation forums; Ooooooooooh Eric is hitting upon it quite nicely
can anyone else add to this ?
forget the 109 and others in ... |
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01-27-2006, 01:59 PM
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#16 | | the old Sage
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Country:  | Ooooooooooh Eric is hitting upon it quite nicely
can anyone else add to this ?
forget the 109 and others in the single engine role it just didn't happen and the Graf Z. was counter productive to what the KM was looking for and that was complete unison with the Luftwaffe in the Recon and bomber/rescue roles which it never achieved | 
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01-28-2006, 08:21 AM
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#17 | | Senior Member
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| So they used the flattops for pilots to practice in naval operations?
Just like US did by converting liners into flattops and using them for practice in the Great Lakes | |
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01-28-2006, 08:28 AM
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#18 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | Another good site that you can get info for the German Carrier Graf Zeppelin is: http://www.german-navy.de/kriegsmari...n/history.html
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01-28-2006, 08:42 AM
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| Someone know the projected number of aircrafts it could carry?
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01-28-2006, 08:46 AM
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#20 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | The Graf Zeppelin was to carry 8 Bf-109T, 13 Ju-87C, and 20 Fi-167.
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01-28-2006, 11:29 AM
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#21 | | Master of Ewes
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01-28-2006, 11:30 AM
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#22 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | It was actually about the standard amount of aircraft carried on most aircraft Carriers. Only the US had a large ammount of Carriers that carried large ammount of aircraft. The Royal Navy had a few but most were about 40 aircraft.
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01-28-2006, 11:46 AM
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#23 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | i was thinking more in terms of the actual aircraft, although i can't really speak we were still using swordfish 
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01-28-2006, 12:17 PM
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| Is the composition that makes me a bit perplexed. It seems unbalanced in favour of the attack, while the self defence could be a problem for an unit destinate to operate far away from ground support.
The Aquila, for example, was projected for 51 aircrafts, all Reggiane Re-2001, (that could be used also as dive bombers and torpedo bombers, even if it's not their primary role), but it was intended primary as a fleet escort.
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01-28-2006, 09:09 PM
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| Even with more aircraft it would be difficult to operate in the Atlantic...
But there would be quite a headache for the British if there was a carrier during the BoB. If they were to take her down they would need resources. And they did not have plenty... What do you think? | |
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01-28-2006, 09:15 PM
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01-28-2006, 10:26 PM
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#27 | | the old Sage
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Country: | forget the gutless single engine jobs. Eric was correct in the application of seaborne equipment on the KM flat tops, but which ones were they ?? | |
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01-28-2006, 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet It was actually about the standard amount of aircraft carried on most aircraft Carriers. Only the US had a large ammount of Carriers that carried large ammount of aircraft. The Royal Navy had a few but most were about 40 aircraft. | The Japanese carriers held quite a lot of aircraft too. Between 70-90 per fleet carrier
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01-29-2006, 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass i was thinking more in terms of the actual aircraft, although i can't really speak we were still using swordfish | Hold on a mo Lanc ( "hi ho silver" Lone Ranger to the rescue, well I have to say something  ) The Bag may have been out of date but it worked brilliantly. The A10 is slow and lumbering compared too many of its contemporaries but it worked really well sometimes a slowly slowly catchy monkey approach works better, another example is the cruise missile it's very slow(compared to other missiles) but does the business superbly.
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01-29-2006, 03:48 AM
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#30 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | sorry track don't get me wrong i know the stringbag did a phenominal job, i was just covering my back 'cos i knew if i didn't after i had a go at the german carrier aircraft someone would mention the fact we were still using the ol' girl......... Quote: |
But there would be quite a headache for the British if there was a carrier during the BoB
| i don't really see how, a few planes carrying pathetic excuses for bombs, and sometimes none at all, coming from a different direction to some of the others wouldn't mean a great deal to us when jerry's sending hundreds of bombers our way over the channel............
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