German Jets Over Normandy

tomsong3320 · 07-26-2006, 08:07 AM

What was the nearest me262 unit nearest to normandy in june july 1944 could these ac have an impact over the landing.

Twitch · 07-26-2006, 01:21 PM

If I recall correctly the 262 wasn't deployed in service till September 1944.

The real grace was the fact that V-1s were not fully deployed even though the commander of the launch units wanted to mount chance strikes against the port of Southhampton from whence the D-Day Allies came. Hitler had expressly forbidden it. !!??

Eisenhower wrote later in his bookCrusade in Europethat he was convinced that Operation Overlord would have failed if the V-1s had been deployed against Portsmouth and Southhampton and the landing beaches themselves.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 07-26-2006, 02:34 PM

That is not true either.

The first unit to recieve the Me-262 was the Erprobungskommando 262 (EKdo262), III./ZG 26 in April of 1944 at Lechfield, Germany. They were to test the aircraft under combat conditions.

The Me-262 scored its first victory on July 26, 1944 by shooting down a Mosquito.

September 1944 was when the first regular units recieved the Me-262 and that was Kommando Nowotny at Achmer.

Below is a quote and link to a very good site about the Me-262.

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The first experimental fighter unit to use the new jet was Erprobungskommando 262 (EKdo262), III./ZG 26. The unit formed at Lechfeld on December 19, 1943. EKdo 262 was composed of two Staffeln and one Stab unit. The unit received their first Me 262 in April of '44 and scored their first victory of a Mosquito on July 26, 1944. By September, elements of EKdo 262 went on to join Kommando Nowotny and III./EJG2 at Lechfeld.

The first active unit to use the Me 262 was Kommando Nowotny which was formed at Achmer in September of 1944 and headed by Major Walter Nowotny. The unit became operational on the 3rd of October and claimed their first kill, a B-24, on October 7th.
Me 262: Stormbirds at War - History 2

lesofprimus · 07-26-2006, 05:38 PM

And the unit based at Achmer utterly failed due to accidents and pilot losses... 9 and 12 Staffel/JG54 were to provide top cover in their new Doras-9's, which really didnt accomplish anything...

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 07-27-2006, 06:15 AM

Yeap they lost 28 Me-262s. Granted 8 to 10 of them were lost due to accidents and a number due to mechanical failure such as engine failure.

P38 Pilot · 07-27-2006, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

Yeap they lost 28 Me-262s. Granted 8 to 10 of them were lost due to accidents and a number due to mechanical failure such as engine failure.

That sucked... Dying from engine failure without getting to see much action.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 07-27-2006, 12:15 PM

That was the infancy of jet powered flight.

tomsong3320 · 07-27-2006, 05:21 PM

how easy is turning and engine on or off in mid flight is this a practiced emergency manuver or an oops type thing?Not a joke but a real qestion.

lesofprimus · 07-27-2006, 06:17 PM

Dude, for an American, ur grammer sucks donkey balls....

102first_hussars · 07-27-2006, 07:02 PM

All your talk about donkey balls, eating Bin Ladins escrements is really starting to make me wonder about you

lesofprimus · 07-27-2006, 07:18 PM

And if u dont understand my humour by now, ur as retarded as Stevie the Wonder Gimp.... Get a clue meatball...

delcyros · 07-27-2006, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by tomsong3320

how easy is turning and engine on or off in mid flight is this a practiced emergency manuver or an oops type thing?Not a joke but a real qestion.

To some degree this depends on the engine and to a higher degree on the circumstances of engine flameout (engine overrewed or damaged usually are worse conditions to restart an engine):
Jumo-004B: little problem
BMW-003A: not possible
BMW-003E: problem but possible

Of course, altitude and speed left is concernable also as was pilot skill. One thing to learn was that the jet engines needed a lot of time to spool up and for acceleration, so a sensible throttle management was a necessarity, at least for the Jumo-004B (to a lesser degree also for the BMW-003).

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 07-28-2006, 05:33 AM

Depends on the aircraft and engine. In most modern planes today you turn one engine off and you can still either fly the plane or land it pretty easily (at least when compared to the older aircraft.)

One problem with the early jet aircraft was the loss of thrust due to one engine failure.

Many did not recover there aircraft and crashed.

tomsong3320 · 07-28-2006, 08:11 AM

it would seem that the piston driven engines would have an advantage.such as the db 601 or a bmw 801.For a mid air restart.

loomaluftwaffe · 07-28-2006, 08:29 AM

1. dude improve ur grammar... I'm a 12 year old boy and every little ***** in my class has better grammar than you

2. I guess the BMW 801 and DB601 can do a mid-air engine restart better cause they will be able to turn the engine on before they lose too much speed and bite the dust; the Engines of the day were not powerful enough, they would take long to start then they have to be careful with the throttle,

imagine urself in a situation where u are flying a 262 have 10 enemies eager to get their first jet kill and u turned ur engines off... u wont have time to get back, might aswell set ur engines ablaze and bail