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03-06-2007, 01:35 PM
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Hi all,
I'am completely new here. My name is Tom, and I build and fly model airplanes. I registered because, on the rcgroup forums were I mostely hang out, we have a little problem. There is a tread in the scale section called mystery aircraft, and recently a new plane was posted that no one knows. It looks like a german prototype fighterplane, mid engined with some sort of coupled engine when you look at the exhausts.
It doesn't look like anything I know of, nor the people over there know it. Maybe someone overhere knows. Here are some pictures. They come from a japanese site where they had the same problem of not knowing what it is.
here is the rcgroups link Mystery Aircraft? - Page 156 - RC Groups
it starts atpost 2333
Greetings
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03-06-2007, 01:45 PM
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| My first guess is that this is an experimental testbed for the Heinkel He-280 jet plane. Several of them were unpowered (havenīt heard about an engine mounted on them  ). However, the example of the Me-262V1 clearly shows that a centerline piston engine could be mounted.
The tricycle engine, the splitted tail, the wing configuration and fuselage all show strong similarities with the He-280.
Two of the He-280 prototypes went to DFS Ainring late in ww2 for aerodynamic tests. To accomplish these tests, the two wing mounted jet engines have been removed. A centerline piston engine is unknown for them.
I am not that confident with this approach, just a guess.
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03-06-2007, 01:48 PM
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03-06-2007, 02:03 PM
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03-06-2007, 03:08 PM
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and how fake is fake? On rcgroups it was suggested that it may be something for a movie or so...
do you have a link to this site erich?
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03-06-2007, 04:02 PM
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there was a killer long discussion about this on the Luftwaffe Experten board. I read through the entire thread, it was about 15 pages long IIRC, and all very technical stuff by the biggest Luftwaffe experts around. They went in depth on the issue, I read some incredible stuff there!!
Erich's conclusion is a bit simplistic. In fact, nobody really found out what the story was about this aircraft. But he was right that this was the most plausible conclusion though it remained an open question.
I could give you some more details on the arguments used but nobody can tell you which aircraft this is. 
Kris
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03-06-2007, 05:08 PM
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Country: | Kris pretty much wrapped this is up and the axis forums also had the photos posted. Sorry i was not more thorough in my response as I had a heavy glass vase in my hands balanced precariously, typing like a fool and it fell busted in a zillion pieces ........... I will hear more about this later tonight ....
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03-06-2007, 06:05 PM
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03-06-2007, 06:47 PM
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03-06-2007, 11:05 PM
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Country: | actually it doesn't and it did not tonight. my wife was very cool about the whole thing, pieces and all
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03-07-2007, 02:35 AM
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Country: | So actually it isn't solved yet, it is just the most plausible thing that is is a fake...
hmm, can you link me to the other tread kris? I'd like to read it through.
@ erich, succes with the vase thing 
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03-07-2007, 08:44 AM
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03-07-2007, 09:11 AM
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| The cockpit sure does look alot like that of the He-280
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03-07-2007, 12:37 PM
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Country: | Well Tom, if it was on the Luftwaffe Experten board as I remember it ... it may be gone! The forum has been offline for a quite a while now, and I have a feeling it's not coming back. Moderator Peter has had his share of problems with the site before and I had a feeling this was his last go at it. Let's hope I'm wrong.
The debate was mind-dazzling!! I still remember parts of it but don't know how to locate it again. I'll try to see if google cash turns up anything later tonight.
Oh, this might interest you: the engine would be the obscure Daimler Benz DB 604 X-engine.
Kris
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