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01-27-2006, 07:02 PM
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#16 | | the old Sage
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01-27-2006, 08:17 PM
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#17 | | Senior Member
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| Fighters
1941 - P-47
1942 - P-47
1943 - P-47
1944 - P-47
1945 - P-47 
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01-27-2006, 09:22 PM
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#18 | | "Shooter"
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Originally Posted by Hunter368 Nice pics guys. Just a question how rugged was the Hellcat? Could it take alot of damage or average only. | It was pretty durable. You really have to see one to appreciate it's armor, armament and sheer size. I have had the pleasure of seeing the Zero and the Hellcat side by side. There is a big difference in size. The specs will show the difference of being not that great, but until you see them side by side, it's another story.
From what I have read, the Hellcat was responsible for 4,947 enemy aircraft destroyed in air to air combat. I have spoken with a few Hellcat veterans and they stand by their Grumman Iron Works bird. They said it was surprisingly manueverable for such a large fighter.
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01-27-2006, 09:26 PM
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#19 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by evangilder Quote: |
Originally Posted by Hunter368 Nice pics guys. Just a question how rugged was the Hellcat? Could it take alot of damage or average only. | It was pretty durable. You really have to see one to appreciate it's armor, armament and sheer size. I have had the pleasure of seeing the Zero and the Hellcat side by side. There is a big difference in size. The specs will show the difference of being not that great, but until you see them side by side, it's another story.
From what I have read, the Hellcat was responsible for 4,947 enemy aircraft destroyed in air to air combat. I have spoken with a few Hellcat veterans and they stand by their Grumman Iron Works bird. They said it was surprisingly manueverable for such a large fighter. | Thanks Evan thats sort of what I have read also.
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01-27-2006, 09:29 PM
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#20 | | Senior Member
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Country: | I would like to know how the main carrier planes for USA, Wildcat, Hellcat, Corsair would of done vs German fighters of the same time period. mmmm
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01-28-2006, 02:40 AM
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#21 | | Master of Ewes
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Country:  | Fighter- Proberly P-47, although the P-38 and mossie in the NF role deserve honerable mentions
Ground pounder- i'd proberly go with IL-2 also
Bomber- proberly B-17, get enough hits on the b-29 and it'll start to de-pressurise, not good, Stirling gets an honerable mention also.......
Carrier plane- i'd say it's between corsair and, as he didn't specify it had to be a fighter, the Avenger..........
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01-28-2006, 10:56 AM
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#22 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | Fighter - P-47 (the Fw-190A could take some good punishment also)
Bomber - B-17
Ground Attack - Il-2
Carrier Aircraft - F4F
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01-28-2006, 01:27 PM
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#23 | | Konfused with a 'K'
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Country:  | Fighters - P-38 and Fw-190A-8
Bomber - B-17
GA - IL2
Carrier - Corsair
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01-28-2006, 05:40 PM
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#24 | | Senior Member
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Country: | Hardest plane to take down? IL2 Handsdown!
Or the B-17 
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01-28-2006, 05:55 PM
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#25 | | Banned
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| Fighter - F4U Corsair
It was as tough structrally as the P-47, the fuel tank and pilot were better protected, and its superchargers were well protected. The P-47 would probably be about equal except the turbo-supercharger (and related plumbing) was somewhat exposed.
The FW-190F series also has to be considered a serious contender, and the Tempest was no slouch.
For Bombers it is probably the B-29 which was fast, tough, and more than anything else BIG. Size does help to withstand damage.
For attack planes it's probably about a draw between the IL10 Sturmovich and the TBF Avenger.
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01-29-2006, 07:09 AM
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#26 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | I forgot about the Il-10 actually.
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01-29-2006, 09:39 AM
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#27 | | Banned
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| Everyone keeps saying "The P-47".
Yet, in post war testing (1946-47 I believe) even the USAAF concluded that the Corsair was the more rugged plane. It has a much stronger wing (too support carrier landings), shorter tougher landing gear, better pilot protection (at the expense of some pilot vision to the rear), better actual armor. The P-47 has only the rear panel behind the pilot and the armor glass, the F4U has this plus a panel on top of the cowl, a panel on the bottom of the cowl, and a thicker firewall (again mostly required for carrier landing). The F4U also has fabric covered wings rear of the main spar outside the fold, and this also makes the plane more rugged against enemy fire (this fabric will not burn, will not shred though it can be holed or cut, and will not set off or fuse HE rounds).
The F4U supercharger is entirely behind the engine which makes it much less succeptable to combat damage than the P-47 turbo-supercharger which is strung all over the place accross the bottom of the plane to well behind the canopy.
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01-29-2006, 09:46 AM
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#28 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | i think everyone is saying P-47 for the fighter because the Corsair goes in the carrier plane catagory, i know it was a fighter but i for one, i don't know about the others, would exclude all carrier aircraft from the other catagories as they have their own catagory.........
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01-29-2006, 10:00 AM
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#29 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Yeah but you like French Bombers Lanc....
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01-29-2006, 10:01 AM
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#30 | | Master of Ewes
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