Heinkel He 343 jet bomber - Aircraft of World War II

Kiwikid · 05-23-2009, 05:22 AM

The Hienkel He-343 evolved from the 1942 RLM specifications which gave birth to the Ju-287. Heinkel embarked upon responding to the RLM specification without being invited. Later in 1943 RLM issued new specifications for a bomber with two crew in a pressurised cockpit with a 2000kg bomb load, speed of 430 knots and a range of 2500km.

Originally the P.1068 was intended to use six He S 011 turbine engines on a straight wing. The aircraft had Fowler flaps which as they extended increased the wing area as well. Wind tunnel testing proved the clustering of so many engines had disastrous effect on the aerodynamics.

In January 1944, RLM funded 20 aircraft including a series of 4 prototypes The eventual He-343 A1 bomber was operated by 1/KG76 at Burg near Magdeburg. No unclassified records survive about the aircraft's operational career.

An airframe production facility commenced work near Gardermoen airport near Oslo. The aircraft was manufactured largely from wood for cheap and simple construction.

On 28 April 1944 an air strike by 51 Lancasters of RAF 5 Group and some Mosquitos destroyed the facility. RLM would not renew funding to rebuild the production facility. Instead RLM favoured stretching the Arado Ar234 for the same specification, resulting however in an inferior 4 engined compromise airframe.

The He-343 story however did not end there. In August 1944, Himmler took a passionate interest in developing nuclear weapons and Kammler took charge of all jet fighter production. The He-343 was re-christened as a fighter project and work resumed at Reisenbirge near Schweidnitz (Swidnica) where it was referred to as the Vergeltungswaffe V-7 and also as the Reisenbomber.

After the war at least one copy appears to have been test flown at Dryden Test Centre in USA

Capt. Vick · 05-23-2009, 04:45 PM

In May?

Flyboy2 · 05-23-2009, 05:02 PM

Cool stuff, I had not heard of this aircraft... How many were actually built?

Waynos · 05-23-2009, 07:08 PM

None at all, don't be fooled.

It was a real project though. One aircraft which bears a strong resembance to the He 343 which really did fly was the Ilyushin Il-22, the first Russian jet bomber to fly which appeared in 1947. Whether there is a link or not I do not know, but the resemblance is there.

Ilyushin IL-22 - bomber

Flyboy2 · 05-23-2009, 08:43 PM

Then is Kiwikids information incorrect? He says one was flown at Dryden

Waynos · 05-23-2009, 09:01 PM

Yes its incorrect. none was ever built, Heinkel was still studying 4 and six engined layouts for it when the war ended. They did get an order for two prototypes (another order for 18 aircraft was cancelled, but they had only built the mock ups and a few components when the RLM ordered work to be stopped. The He 343 was a 1.5 times scale up of the Ar 234 according to Grehl and Jessel in their book 'Bombers of the Luftwaffe'.

Flyboy2 · 05-23-2009, 09:05 PM

So what is that second picture of?

Waynos · 05-23-2009, 09:07 PM

The Il-22 perhaps? If you follow the link you will see how close it is in shape.

Flyboy2 · 05-23-2009, 09:13 PM

Ya it looks like the Il-22

HealzDevo · 05-23-2009, 10:17 PM

Not necessarily, there was a lot of records lost and release of information that the sides wanted to release. It is possible that a prototype or two did survive the bombing.

Alternatively, Himmler could have made two or more up to an almost flying basis on the surviving records from the RLM station destruction to improve on the design. These ones weren't necessarily totally complete and one was found by the US somewhere almost complete. The US finished it and this is what underwent testing in Dryden Testing Centre USA. Another one was secretly found by the USSR that was nowhere near complete. However, Russia may have captured engine drawings and gradually worked out its own engines and everything and finished it.

Flyboy2 · 05-23-2009, 10:24 PM

It is possible.. But for sure those pictures are not legitimate... The first one doesn't even look legit, you can see the detail difference between the plane and the rest of the picture and the fuzzy outline....

Graeme · 05-24-2009, 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyboy2

It is possible.. But for sure those pictures are not legitimate... The first one doesn't even look legit, you can see the detail difference between the plane and the rest of the picture and the fuzzy outline....

Even Wikipedia accepts that as a composite photo (obviously). See here...

File:Heinkel He 343.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyboy2

So what is that second picture of?

More than likely something like this rumbling down the runway...

..and then the image has been "shopped" or altered by computer enhancement. I'd say it comes from this book...

Luftwaffe Project Aircraft #2: He-343

...which clearly states...

Quote:

What has been added from the last edition are a number of doctored images where other aircraft have been replaced by the He-343. A very nice addition and one that makes the book much more fun to read.

Early April Fools Day.

Waynos · 05-24-2009, 05:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HealzDevo

Not necessarily, there was a lot of records lost and release of information that the sides wanted to release. It is possible that a prototype or two did survive the bombing.

Alternatively, Himmler could have made two or more up to an almost flying basis on the surviving records from the RLM station destruction to improve on the design. These ones weren't necessarily totally complete and one was found by the US somewhere almost complete. The US finished it and this is what underwent testing in Dryden Testing Centre USA. Another one was secretly found by the USSR that was nowhere near complete. However, Russia may have captured engine drawings and gradually worked out its own engines and everything and finished it.

While it is only one source, the book I cited previously clearly states that only two mock ups and a few components were actualy made. If you are claiming that actual airframes were built it would be helpful if you could support that.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 05-24-2009, 08:28 AM

The photo is obviously photo shopped and fake people.

From all of my studies, none of these aircraft were ever completed and flew. The Russians however did use the designs to design the Il-22.

Maximowitz · 05-24-2009, 10:31 AM

Anybody fancy a thread about the Nazi Haunebu I Flying Saucer?

It's ok, I was only joking honest!

05-23-2009, 05:22 AM	#1
Kiwikid Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 140	Heinkel He 343 jet bomber The Hienkel He-343 evolved from the 1942 RLM specifications which gave birth to the Ju-287. Heinkel embarked upon responding to the RLM specification without being invited. Later in 1943 RLM issued new specifications for a bomber with two crew in a pressurised cockpit with a 2000kg bomb load, speed of 430 knots and a range of 2500km. Originally the P.1068 was intended to use six He S 011 turbine engines on a straight wing. The aircraft had Fowler flaps which as they extended increased the wing area as well. Wind tunnel testing proved the clustering of so many engines had disastrous effect on the aerodynamics. In January 1944, RLM funded 20 aircraft including a series of 4 prototypes The eventual He-343 A1 bomber was operated by 1/KG76 at Burg near Magdeburg. No unclassified records survive about the aircraft's operational career. An airframe production facility commenced work near Gardermoen airport near Oslo. The aircraft was manufactured largely from wood for cheap and simple construction. On 28 April 1944 an air strike by 51 Lancasters of RAF 5 Group and some Mosquitos destroyed the facility. RLM would not renew funding to rebuild the production facility. Instead RLM favoured stretching the Arado Ar234 for the same specification, resulting however in an inferior 4 engined compromise airframe. The He-343 story however did not end there. In August 1944, Himmler took a passionate interest in developing nuclear weapons and Kammler took charge of all jet fighter production. The He-343 was re-christened as a fighter project and work resumed at Reisenbirge near Schweidnitz (Swidnica) where it was referred to as the Vergeltungswaffe V-7 and also as the Reisenbomber. After the war at least one copy appears to have been test flown at Dryden Test Centre in USA

05-23-2009, 07:08 PM	#4
Waynos Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 914	None at all, don't be fooled. It was a real project though. One aircraft which bears a strong resembance to the He 343 which really did fly was the Ilyushin Il-22, the first Russian jet bomber to fly which appeared in 1947. Whether there is a link or not I do not know, but the resemblance is there. Ilyushin IL-22 - bomber __________________ BlondeValkyrie - Bugger off and host your OWN pictures you thieving twat

05-23-2009, 09:01 PM	#6
Waynos Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 914	Yes its incorrect. none was ever built, Heinkel was still studying 4 and six engined layouts for it when the war ended. They did get an order for two prototypes (another order for 18 aircraft was cancelled, but they had only built the mock ups and a few components when the RLM ordered work to be stopped. The He 343 was a 1.5 times scale up of the Ar 234 according to Grehl and Jessel in their book 'Bombers of the Luftwaffe'. __________________ BlondeValkyrie - Bugger off and host your OWN pictures you thieving twat Last edited by Waynos; 05-23-2009 at 09:06 PM.

05-23-2009, 09:07 PM	#8
Waynos Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 914	The Il-22 perhaps? If you follow the link you will see how close it is in shape. __________________ BlondeValkyrie - Bugger off and host your OWN pictures you thieving twat

05-23-2009, 10:17 PM	#10
HealzDevo Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Queensland Posts: 1,249	Not necessarily, there was a lot of records lost and release of information that the sides wanted to release. It is possible that a prototype or two did survive the bombing. Alternatively, Himmler could have made two or more up to an almost flying basis on the surviving records from the RLM station destruction to improve on the design. These ones weren't necessarily totally complete and one was found by the US somewhere almost complete. The US finished it and this is what underwent testing in Dryden Testing Centre USA. Another one was secretly found by the USSR that was nowhere near complete. However, Russia may have captured engine drawings and gradually worked out its own engines and everything and finished it. __________________ http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/alb...500&ppuser=671 Link To My Picture Gallery

05-23-2009, 04:45 PM	#2
Capt. Vick Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 140	April Fools! In May?

05-23-2009, 05:02 PM	#3
Flyboy2 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 638	Cool stuff, I had not heard of this aircraft... How many were actually built?

05-23-2009, 08:43 PM	#5
Flyboy2 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 638	Then is Kiwikids information incorrect? He says one was flown at Dryden

05-23-2009, 09:05 PM	#7
Flyboy2 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 638	So what is that second picture of?

05-23-2009, 09:13 PM	#9
Flyboy2 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 638	Ya it looks like the Il-22

05-23-2009, 10:24 PM	#11
Flyboy2 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 638	It is possible.. But for sure those pictures are not legitimate... The first one doesn't even look legit, you can see the detail difference between the plane and the rest of the picture and the fuzzy outline....

05-24-2009, 08:28 AM	#14
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,011	The photo is obviously photo shopped and fake people. From all of my studies, none of these aircraft were ever completed and flew. The Russians however did use the designs to design the Il-22. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

05-24-2009, 10:31 AM	#15
Maximowitz Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: London, England. Posts: 802	Anybody fancy a thread about the Nazi Haunebu I Flying Saucer? It's ok, I was only joking honest! __________________

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode