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06-30-2005, 01:10 AM
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#91 | | Junior Member
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| You accuse Romania because they switched sides? Where was the American and Brit when Germans sold our country? Where was American and Brit when Germans make pact with soviet union and sold our Eastern territory? Why don't accuse Soviet Union because they switched sides? They were Allies with Germans and attack Finland, Poland and Romania and after that they were your Allies.
What do you now about Stalingrad? My grand father was there and sow everything! He sow the German soothing Romanian "Allies" when they try to retreat in trucks with German "Allies".
Yes I now that victory was a joint effort but I was talking about the Americans and about their fighting stile. | 
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06-30-2005, 04:30 AM
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#92 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by bogy You accuse Romania because they switched sides? Where was the American and Brit when Germans sold our country? Where was American and Brit when Germans make pact with soviet union and sold our Eastern territory? Why don't accuse Soviet Union because they switched sides? They were Allies with Germans and attack Finland, Poland and Romania and after that they were your Allies. | Okay now this is getting way way off topic. This is supposed to be about Japanese aviation here. I will stand on my soap box one more time though and then I am done and hopefully this can get back on topic. Quote: |
Originally Posted by bogy What do you now about Stalingrad? My grand father was there and sow everything! He sow the German soothing Romanian "Allies" when they try to retreat in trucks with German "Allies". | My grandfather was at Stalingrad also. In fact he was wounded and captured there so I know quite a bit about it, actually! Quote: |
Originally Posted by bogy Yes I now that victory was a joint effort but I was talking about the Americans and about their fighting stile. | There was nothing bad about the American fighting style, actually. They were trained very well and could fight against anyone. They may not have been the best soldiers in the war but they were just as good as anyone. Tell the boys who scaled Point du Hoc in Normandy or stormed the beaches there, tell the boys who fought at the Battle of the Bulge, tell the boys that fought in Iwo Jima or Guadal Canal that they were not good fighters.
There now I am finished and am getting off of my soap box. 
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06-30-2005, 05:04 AM
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#93 | | Junior Member
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| I am sorry but I speak about fighters, not about infantry. About infantry, I now and I angry with that, American infantry was the best, and was, no doubt about that. They prove that in Normandy, they prove that in Iwo Jima, Guadalacanal, Okinawa, Tarawa, in Corea, in Vietnam, etc.
in fact I am a little bit filo American and i don't wanna be upset in this discussion. In fact this must be a friendly discussion, OK? | |
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06-30-2005, 07:31 AM
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#94 | | Der Crewchief
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As a matter of fact things have to be taken with a grain of salt here and everyone has to be thick skinned, or things can get out hand quickly.
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07-01-2005, 01:39 AM
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| OK, I've got the idea. Let be friends and let's talk friendly. It's OK by me, I have nothing against American fighters but that's my opinion - they have fought very well in infantry, artillery, tanks, navy, marines but I considered that in air, there are fighters much better then Americans.
The problem was that ,no doubt, P51 was the best fighter in ww2. They have the best aircraft at that time, with strongest engines and armament.
I don't now if the Americans have a fighters like Molders or Hartman or Lipfert or Cantacuzino or Dobran or Serbanescu. No offense but I am not convince about that.
What do You think about Soviet Fighters? And about their aircraft? | |
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07-01-2005, 01:54 AM
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#96 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Country:  | Bob Johnson (P-47 pilot) had the same kill rate as Molders. We had our aces like Bong and Mcguire.
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07-01-2005, 01:59 AM
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| By the way, I don't say that Fw 190 A was not good, I just say that Fw Dora 9 was the best. End I considered that Fw 190D9 was the best German fighter in ww2. I don't now why because Fw 190have a Junkers jumo engine and Fw190A have a BMW engine and I now that BMW engine was better then Junker Jumo.
Anyway, I have a beautiful kit machete of FW 190A4 at 1:48 in Fujimy - it is Heinz Barr's Fw 190A4. | |
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07-01-2005, 02:07 AM
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| "Bob Johnson (P-47 pilot) had the same kill rate as Molders. We had our aces like Bong and McGuire."
Yes Flyboy, I now that, Your country have good aces, you have Ira Kepford, Pappy Boigton, etc and I recognize that.
If I don't wrong, Mcguire have flight on F6F Hellcat name "Minsii" ? And Kepford on F4 U Corsair numbered 29 white. | |
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07-01-2005, 02:21 AM
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| Bogy
That's Cmdr. David McCampbell who flew Grumman F6F Hellcat "Minsi" with 34 kills and Maj. Thomas McGuire flew Lockheed P-38 Lighting with 38 kills before he was KIA.
Yes, Lt. (jg) Ira "Ike" Kepford fly Vought F4U-1A Corsair with white 29 while he made 16 kills during the war.
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07-01-2005, 02:40 AM
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| Oh yes, Thomas McGuire flew Lockheed P-38 Lighting name "padgy" or something like that, in New Guinea | |
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07-01-2005, 02:53 AM
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| That would be "Pudgy", Bogy 
He was killed in combat while attempting to snap roll onto the tail of a Japanese fighter without dropping his external fuel (carrying two 160 gallon of gas), that lead McGuire into a flat spin from which he was unable to recover or bail out.
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07-01-2005, 03:01 AM
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| Hey, people, what do you think about Saburo Sakai or Hiroyoshi Nishizawa, Tetsuzo Iwamoto, Sada-aki Akamatsu, Takeo Tanimizu, Shoichi Sugita, Kaneyoshi Muto? | |
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07-01-2005, 10:03 AM
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#103 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | I think we just had a misunderstanding bogy and nothing else. It actually happens quite a bit on this forum between people. Any how welcome to the site anyway.
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07-01-2005, 10:18 AM
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Country:  | U.S infantry weren't the best, German infantry was and there was a very good reason for that. But keep on topic...if you want to argue about that, start a thread.
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07-01-2005, 11:17 AM
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#105 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Agreed about the thread and agreed about the infantry Plan_D.
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