How to make a business- pic of Willi Reschke - Aircraft of World War II

seesul · 06-03-2009, 03:51 AM

Hello,

someone printed out my picture I took during our visit of W.R., sent it to him, asked him for the signature and now is ofering it in the auction Willi Reschke,LW,RK,foto,podpis (649314920) - Aukro - Aukce OnLine for 350 CZK (about 19 bucks)!
I found it out on Monday and got in touch with the offerer the same day. He bought this signed pic from Mr. B. from Litvinov (a Czech town).
I sent this link to W.R.´s son and am gonna send a letter to W.R. as well.
If someone printed it out, sent it to W.R. for a signature and then kept it for himself at home I wouldn´t have any problem with it. But this I call heynaism.
Someone just printed it out fom here http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/avi...ears-9298.html (Willi Reschke & Joe Owsianik -meeting after 63 years)
My fault, I was too naive...since now I´ll mark all my pics posted on different forums.

Maximowitz · 06-03-2009, 10:52 AM

I'm sorry to hear that mate. Some people are just untrustworthy.

seesul · 06-03-2009, 06:55 PM

yes, as I said, I was to naive. I put the pics in full (!) resolution on web without any mark, signature or copyright...my lesson for the future...
But the worst thing on it is, that some 'historian' sent it to veteran, asked him for his signature, and then tried to make money on it- for me- unbelievable...

Njaco · 06-03-2009, 07:49 PM

B@stards! That is low! Sorry to hear Seesul. I hope this doesn't ruin your relationship with WR.

seesul · 06-03-2009, 08:12 PM

no, it won´t...

Catch22 · 06-03-2009, 08:51 PM

You SHOULD be able to shut him down. You can prove that you're the one who originally took the picture and that you never gave him permission to sell it.

Njaco · 06-03-2009, 08:56 PM

Good point, Catch. I would contact Ebay or whereever and lodge a complaint. Hell, you have the forum and half the world behind you!

Catch22 · 06-03-2009, 10:07 PM

It's not the guy who's auctioning it that's the problem, he didn't know where it came from. It's this Mr. B character.

vikingBerserker · 06-04-2009, 02:13 AM

Track him/her down, and make then pay a royalty to you.

GrauGeist · 06-04-2009, 02:45 AM

I looked at the auction site, and I'll be danged if I can read that!

However most sites, like ebay, have a strong policy regarding sellers and thier items they are selling. If the item is stolen, fraudulent or along those lines, they want to know about it and will deal with the seller swiftly.

seesul · 06-04-2009, 03:01 AM

I spoke to the offerer and he promised me to remove his offer. By now the auction was stopped.
There´s written: ''skončeno'' (ended)

Airframes · 06-05-2009, 12:56 PM

Sorry to heat about this Roman, and I'm glad it hasn't affected your relationship with Willi.
Personally, I think it is

ing that someone should do such a thing just for money, with no thought, or care about history. I'm guessing Herr Reischke thought he was doing a favour for a genuine, interested historian or enthusiast. Unfortunately, it is this type of action which makes veterans reticent, in the future, to correspond or talk to genuine reserachers, thereby leading to some areas of historic detail being retained to the grave, denying many, many others from adding to their knowledge of important episodes in history.
I hope the perpetrator is duly banned from selling his 'wares' for pure profit, and that the company concerned are able to prevent this, even if only marginally, in the future.

Erich · 06-05-2009, 02:54 PM

Roman not to set you off but you may want to look into the legal issues here. there is no proof that the seller will not have copies made and do up another sale lets say in 6 months or so

E `

Airframes · 06-05-2009, 05:30 PM

Very good point Erich. Seems logical - why make 19 bucks when you can make multiples of 19 bucks for very little effort?

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 06-13-2009, 07:43 AM

I am sorry this happened Roman.

That is why I have not posted my autographed pic of Willi Reschke that you were able to have him sign for me. It is not worth things like this happening. Even though I doubt someone will print an already autographed pic and then try and sell it, but then again you never know.

06-03-2009, 03:51 AM	#1
seesul Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Zlin, Czech Republic Posts: 2,489	How to make a business- pic of Willi Reschke Hello, someone printed out my picture I took during our visit of W.R., sent it to him, asked him for the signature and now is ofering it in the auction Willi Reschke,LW,RK,foto,podpis (649314920) - Aukro - Aukce OnLine for 350 CZK (about 19 bucks)! I found it out on Monday and got in touch with the offerer the same day. He bought this signed pic from Mr. B. from Litvinov (a Czech town). I sent this link to W.R.´s son and am gonna send a letter to W.R. as well. If someone printed it out, sent it to W.R. for a signature and then kept it for himself at home I wouldn´t have any problem with it. But this I call heynaism. Someone just printed it out fom here http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/avi...ears-9298.html (Willi Reschke & Joe Owsianik -meeting after 63 years) My fault, I was too naive...since now I´ll mark all my pics posted on different forums. __________________ Roman Susil Zlin, Czech Republic ...a friend of Joe Owsianik,So. Plainfield, NJ, a former left waist gunner from B-17G ''Tail End Charlie" from 2ndBG,20th Sqdn who was forced to bail out on Aug. 29th, 1944 over my country. Last edited by seesul; 06-04-2009 at 03:06 AM.

06-03-2009, 10:52 AM	#2
Maximowitz Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: London, England. Posts: 839	I'm sorry to hear that mate. Some people are just untrustworthy. __________________

06-03-2009, 06:55 PM	#3
seesul Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Zlin, Czech Republic Posts: 2,489	yes, as I said, I was to naive. I put the pics in full (!) resolution on web without any mark, signature or copyright...my lesson for the future... But the worst thing on it is, that some 'historian' sent it to veteran, asked him for his signature, and then tried to make money on it- for me- unbelievable... __________________ Roman Susil Zlin, Czech Republic ...a friend of Joe Owsianik,So. Plainfield, NJ, a former left waist gunner from B-17G ''Tail End Charlie" from 2ndBG,20th Sqdn who was forced to bail out on Aug. 29th, 1944 over my country.

06-03-2009, 07:49 PM	#4
Njaco The Pop-Tart Whisperer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: South Jersey, United States Posts: 10,236	B@stards! That is low! Sorry to hear Seesul. I hope this doesn't ruin your relationship with WR. __________________ "If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it's English, thank a soldier!" http://www.njcacoa.org/

06-03-2009, 08:12 PM	#5
seesul Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Zlin, Czech Republic Posts: 2,489	no, it won´t... __________________ Roman Susil Zlin, Czech Republic ...a friend of Joe Owsianik,So. Plainfield, NJ, a former left waist gunner from B-17G ''Tail End Charlie" from 2ndBG,20th Sqdn who was forced to bail out on Aug. 29th, 1944 over my country.

06-03-2009, 08:51 PM	#6
Catch22 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Posts: 4,293	You SHOULD be able to shut him down. You can prove that you're the one who originally took the picture and that you never gave him permission to sell it. __________________

06-03-2009, 08:56 PM	#7
Njaco The Pop-Tart Whisperer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: South Jersey, United States Posts: 10,236	Good point, Catch. I would contact Ebay or whereever and lodge a complaint. Hell, you have the forum and half the world behind you! __________________ "If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it's English, thank a soldier!" http://www.njcacoa.org/

06-03-2009, 10:07 PM	#8
Catch22 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Posts: 4,293	It's not the guy who's auctioning it that's the problem, he didn't know where it came from. It's this Mr. B character. __________________

06-04-2009, 02:13 AM	#9
vikingBerserker Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: South Carolina Posts: 3,760	Track him/her down, and make then pay a royalty to you. __________________ "Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it" "Those who dwell in the past, condemn the future"

06-04-2009, 02:45 AM	#10
GrauGeist Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Redding, California Posts: 3,348	I looked at the auction site, and I'll be danged if I can read that! However most sites, like ebay, have a strong policy regarding sellers and thier items they are selling. If the item is stolen, fraudulent or along those lines, they want to know about it and will deal with the seller swiftly. __________________ "Look back over the past, with its changing empires that rose and fell, and you can foresee the future." - Marcus Aurelius, Emperor of Rome > I Support Doug Gillis <

06-04-2009, 03:01 AM	#11
seesul Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Zlin, Czech Republic Posts: 2,489	I spoke to the offerer and he promised me to remove his offer. By now the auction was stopped. There´s written: ''skončeno'' (ended) __________________ Roman Susil Zlin, Czech Republic ...a friend of Joe Owsianik,So. Plainfield, NJ, a former left waist gunner from B-17G ''Tail End Charlie" from 2ndBG,20th Sqdn who was forced to bail out on Aug. 29th, 1944 over my country. Last edited by seesul; 06-04-2009 at 03:05 AM.

06-05-2009, 12:56 PM	#12
Airframes Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,062	Sorry to heat about this Roman, and I'm glad it hasn't affected your relationship with Willi. Personally, I think it is ing that someone should do such a thing just for money, with no thought, or care about history. I'm guessing Herr Reischke thought he was doing a favour for a genuine, interested historian or enthusiast. Unfortunately, it is this type of action which makes veterans reticent, in the future, to correspond or talk to genuine reserachers, thereby leading to some areas of historic detail being retained to the grave, denying many, many others from adding to their knowledge of important episodes in history. I hope the perpetrator is duly banned from selling his 'wares' for pure profit, and that the company concerned are able to prevent this, even if only marginally, in the future. __________________

06-05-2009, 02:54 PM	#13
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,774	Roman not to set you off but you may want to look into the legal issues here. there is no proof that the seller will not have copies made and do up another sale lets say in 6 months or so E ` __________________ Rip it up !

06-05-2009, 05:30 PM	#14
Airframes Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,062	Very good point Erich. Seems logical - why make 19 bucks when you can make multiples of 19 bucks for very little effort? __________________

06-13-2009, 07:43 AM	#15
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	I am sorry this happened Roman. That is why I have not posted my autographed pic of Willi Reschke that you were able to have him sign for me. It is not worth things like this happening. Even though I doubt someone will print an already autographed pic and then try and sell it, but then again you never know. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

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