Howard Hughes' D-2

Graeme · 08-23-2007, 03:22 AM

Three view from an 'exclusive' article in an Australian magazine called Air Historian from 1973. I cannot vouch for its accuracy. The photos in the article are of a very poor quality and heavily retouched.

The man in the foreground is 'possibly' Howard Hughes.

This is the only photo I could find of the D-2 on the net.

Does anyone have any further images of this aircraft? Hughes of course was very secretive and possibly few photos exist. General H.H. Arnold (according to the article) flew to Hughes' factory to inspect the D-2, but was refused entry by security guards, as Hughes left strict instructions that no-one be allowed entry. Nevertheless Hughes always believed that his basic idea for the D-2 had not been the best kept secret and was convinced that the government had conspired to give a production contract for the P-38 Lightning to Lockheed as a result of his early intensive research work on a revolutionary twin-engine interceptor design.

Four months after Howard Hughes had submitted a design for a twin -engine interceptor to the Army Corps, they issued specifications for an identical craft to four companies. Hughes testified that Hughes engineers had gone to work for Lockheed.

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Clarence L. (Kelly) Johnson, Lockheed designer, already had made preliminary drawings of a similar machine, both with single fuselage, later to be modified to twin tail booms. Was it coincidence? Or was it simply an example of parallel development? Howard Hughes considered the coincidence 'strange'.

falcon from sweden · 08-23-2007, 05:11 AM

Cool plane!!

FLYBOYJ · 08-23-2007, 06:25 AM

Hughes was inspired by the P-38. Bob Gross, Lockheed president at the time was good friends with Hughes.

ccheese · 08-23-2007, 06:32 AM

Wonder if it was ever test flown ?

Charles

falcon from sweden · 08-23-2007, 06:47 AM

I found this

it shows a model of the D 2

http://hsfeatures.com/features04/images/f11tc_2.jpg

falcon from sweden · 08-23-2007, 06:52 AM

LOOK AT THIS

a Hint: Look after XP-73

falcon from sweden · 08-23-2007, 06:52 AM

http://prototypes.free.fr/xf12/images/xf11_12.jpg

FLYBOYJ · 08-23-2007, 09:02 AM

it evolved into the XF-11

Hughes XF-11 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Graeme · 08-23-2007, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ccheese

Wonder if it was ever test flown ?Charles

Don't think so Charles.

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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

it evolved into the XF-11

Exactly.

This is an artist's rendering of what the D-2 would have looked like in the proposed bomber-reconnaissance role. A Senate War Contract Investigating Committee looked into Hughes' war contracts and allegations were made that he had added the D-2 development costs into the XF-11 project.

johnbr · 08-23-2007, 03:48 PM

I so a small book many years ago on the D2 it had about 10 or15 images of the D2 in it.To this day I kick my self of not paying the 6.75 for it.

AV8 · 08-28-2007, 12:53 AM

In the first post, the bottom plane is the XF-11. Falcon from Sweden's first post is also the XF-11.

The D-2 had a much lower aspect-ratio wing than the XF-11, and this is shown in the first drawing. The problem with the first drawing is that the D-2 had a solid nose, not one with wondows in it. The windowed nose is the XF-11, at least in prototype form.

Howard Hughes was a stickler for secrecy. Whatever he did was released to the public in deliberately-wrong or misleading ways on purpose. Witness the Hughes Glomar Explorer ship whose sole purpose was to raise a sunken Soviet submarine but whose claimed purpose was released to the public as an oil exploration platform. Since it never explored for oil, that excuse fizzled ... and fast. But, it DID the job.

My feelings are that the D-2 was burned because it did not meet specifications. It was wood and would easily burn and the project could be rescued by going with the Pratt & Whitney Wasp Major R-4360 engine ... which Hughes DID, albeit with much higher aspect ratio wings for some better altitude performance.

Too bas we didn't BUY it. Nothing could have caught it.

During the evaluation of the XF-11, they told the Air Force where they would be and when, and the F-86s STILL couldn't find it or catch it. One F-86 got a gun camera pic of the outboard 4 feet of the wingtip, in one single gun camera frame, but it turned away so fast that the F-86 could not follow and disappeared from sight.

We SHOULD have bought these beasts ... but, typically shortsighted, we didn't.

Graeme · 08-28-2007, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by AV8

In the first post, the bottom plane is the XF-11.

If you're referring to this photo, then I strongly believe that it is the D-2, especially when you compare the cockpit construction to...

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Originally Posted by Graeme

this... the XF-11 (with Hughes at the controls).

However, if you meant to refer to the bottom 'photo' of the magazine scan of the first post, you're probably right, although it is captioned as the D-2. The only significant identifying point on the photo are the landing 'bumpers', on the ventral rear tail booms, which are absent on all images of the XF-11...

And as you pointed out, the 3-view is highly speculative.

Marshall_Stack · 08-28-2007, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by AV8

Too bas we didn't BUY it. Nothing could have caught it.

We SHOULD have bought these beasts ... but, typically shortsighted, we didn't.

My first response to purchasing the aircraft is that we wouldn't need the XF-11 since the P-61 Black Widow ( a similar aircraft) was already converted to a reconnaissance role (the F-15 Reporter) and that technology was pushing towards jets. Then I saw that the airplane had a range of 5,000 miles. That in itself would be a major selling point.

AV8 · 08-28-2007, 10:08 PM

Graeme,

I am chastised and YOU are right. Spank me.

As for the XF-11, it was wicked FAST at altitude and quite maneuverable. Of course, with R-4360s and low drag, it SHOULD have been ...

FLYBOYJ · 08-29-2007, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by AV8

During the evaluation of the XF-11, they told the Air Force where they would be and when, and the F-86s STILL couldn't find it or catch it. One F-86 got a gun camera pic of the outboard 4 feet of the wingtip, in one single gun camera frame, but it turned away so fast that the F-86 could not follow and disappeared from sight.

I'd like to know where you got that from since the evaluations of the second XF-11 began in April 1947. The First flight of the XF-86 took place in October, 1947 and the first deliveries were made in May 1948. I doubt F-86s were being used as chase planes in the late 40s.

The remaining XF-11 wound up at Eglin and then Shepard AFB in 1948. According to my sources it never flew again and just "rotted away."

The XF-11 had a top speed of 450 mph. The F-86A had a top speed of 601 at 30,000 feet, 679 at sea level. A recip might of been able to initially accelerate away from an early jet but eventually the jet would "win." If this took place I'd like to know where and when since the two aircraft seemed to be going in "opposite directions."