Hurricanes in the PTO - Aircraft of World War II

snafud1 · 06-09-2009, 01:29 AM

What marks of the Hurricane fought in the Pacific Theatre? Going to buy some models at the end of racing season and wanted to one Hurricane for each theatre.

Glider · 06-09-2009, 02:22 AM

I believe that all versions of the Mk 2 fought in Burma

snafud1 · 06-09-2009, 02:33 AM

Cool. Looks like I'll be busy this winter.

Tinplate58 · 06-09-2009, 05:53 AM

Glider is right though a few squadrons fought in Malaya and Java before their collapse.
Squadrons in Burma with Hurricanes were
5,11,17,20,28,34,42,60,67,79,113,134,146,261,273,6 07,and 615. Mostly with Mark IIc but some IIa/b (early) and some Mark IVs later. Plus 8 Indian Air Force squadrons.
The ones with European colours (grey-green) were re-painted Dark Earth-Dark Green-Medium Sea Grey in India.Squadron codes usually deleted and ID by single letters in white (or light grey or sky).The squadrons re-equipped with Spitfires and Thunderbolts re-introduced their codes.
The IVs had 40mm cannon (2).

Nick

syscom3 · 06-09-2009, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tinplate58

Glider is right though a few squadrons fought in Malaya and Java before their collapse.
Squadrons in Burma with Hurricanes were
5,11,17,20,28,34,42,60,67,79,113,134,146,261,273,6 07,and 615. Mostly with Mark IIc but some IIa/b (early) and some Mark IVs later. Plus 8 Indian Air Force squadrons.
The ones with European colours (grey-green) were re-painted Dark Earth-Dark Green-Medium Sea Grey in India.Squadron codes usually deleted and ID by single letters in white (or light grey or sky).The squadrons re-equipped with Spitfires and Thunderbolts re-introduced their codes.
The IVs had 40mm cannon (2).

Nick

Java? I thought they served in Sumatra.

Marcel · 06-09-2009, 02:12 PM

The Dutch had a few MK.IIB's on Java.

Colin1 · 06-09-2009, 02:28 PM

Guys
I don't want to nit-pick
but the PTO was largely run by the US and I don't recall them using Hurricanes, range would likely have been a big issue.
Do we by any chance mean the CBI here? There were plenty of Hurricanes in the CBI...

syscom3 · 06-09-2009, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colin1

Guys
I don't want to nit-pick
but the PTO was largely run by the US and I don't recall them using Hurricanes, range would likely have been a big issue.
Do we by any chance mean the CBI here? There were plenty of Hurricanes in the CBI...

Yes, technically they were in the CBI.

But many people comsider the war in the CBI as part of the larger war in the whole Pacific

timshatz · 06-09-2009, 04:10 PM

Funny this question should come up...

I was reading the "Bloody Shambles" series last night. It said the 2b Hurris were out there. Also, that the pilots/crews pulled 4 of the 12 guns out of the wings to lessen the load and make it more responsive.

Catch22 · 06-09-2009, 04:16 PM

Mk IIc

The markings are those of 5 Sqn RAF (North West Burma area, SEAC markings) and PZ865 wore them during the 2000/1 display season.

From Wings Palette.

Tinplate58 · 06-09-2009, 04:20 PM

Syscom........after Sumatra fell ( Feb. ) the remnants of 232, 242, 488(NZ), 605 and 258 withdrew to Java .Stations included Tjililitan, Andir, Lembang and Kalidjati. The squadrons were more or less amalgamated into temporary units alongside the Dutch. They were all re-formed after Java surrendered .
Other Hurricane squadrons in the India-Burma-Indian Ocean area in 1941--2 were 30 and 261 in Ceylon.

Nick

Colin1 · 06-09-2009, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timshatz

I was reading the "Bloody Shambles" series last night. It said the 2b Hurris were out there. Also, that the pilots/crews pulled 4 of the 12 guns out of the wings to lessen the load and make it more responsive.

12-gun mounts were devised for tackling German bombers, personally, I'd have pulled 6 of the 12 guns if I was going to be tackling Japanese fighters, possibly 8

Jerry W. Loper · 06-09-2009, 04:41 PM

The book in the subject line says the Hurricanes fighting in the Dutch East Indies had a speed of only 250 m.p.h. Would the Volkes filters they were fitted with (I think they were Mark II's) really slow them down that much?

Colin1 · 06-09-2009, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerry W. Loper

The book in the subject line says the Hurricanes fighting in the Dutch East Indies had a speed of only 250 m.p.h. Would the Volkes filters they were fitted with (I think they were Mark II's) really slow them down that much?

Vokes filters certainly slowed an aircraft that wasn't that fast anyway.
I'm not sure off the top of my head what modifications were made to the Mk IIs over the Mk Is but the Hurricane (like most fighters) put on weight during its service life; the Mk IV was one and a half times heavier than the Mk I - so a possibility that that wouldn't have helped either.

snafud1 · 06-09-2009, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by syscom3

Yes, technically they were in the CBI.

But many people comsider the war in the CBI as part of the larger war in the whole Pacific

Exactly how I'm doing it. Which a/c fought the Japs, which a/c fought the Germans. Thaty's how I decide what models I want to put together.

06-09-2009, 01:29 AM	#1
snafud1 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Mattoon, IL Posts: 604	Hurricanes in the PTO What marks of the Hurricane fought in the Pacific Theatre? Going to buy some models at the end of racing season and wanted to one Hurricane for each theatre. __________________

06-09-2009, 02:33 AM	#3
snafud1 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Mattoon, IL Posts: 604	Cool. Looks like I'll be busy this winter. __________________

06-09-2009, 05:53 AM	#4
Tinplate58 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 32	Hurricanes in the PTO Glider is right though a few squadrons fought in Malaya and Java before their collapse. Squadrons in Burma with Hurricanes were 5,11,17,20,28,34,42,60,67,79,113,134,146,261,273,6 07,and 615. Mostly with Mark IIc but some IIa/b (early) and some Mark IVs later. Plus 8 Indian Air Force squadrons. The ones with European colours (grey-green) were re-painted Dark Earth-Dark Green-Medium Sea Grey in India.Squadron codes usually deleted and ID by single letters in white (or light grey or sky).The squadrons re-equipped with Spitfires and Thunderbolts re-introduced their codes. The IVs had 40mm cannon (2). Nick Last edited by Tinplate58; 06-09-2009 at 07:00 AM. Reason: Addition

06-09-2009, 02:12 PM	#6
Marcel Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Dordrecht Posts: 4,051	The Dutch had a few MK.IIB's on Java. __________________ "To attack 36 aircraft on your own was rather much" - Jan Linzel, D.XXI pilot.

06-09-2009, 04:16 PM	#10
Catch22 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Posts: 4,635	Mk IIc The markings are those of 5 Sqn RAF (North West Burma area, SEAC markings) and PZ865 wore them during the 2000/1 display season. From Wings Palette. __________________

06-09-2009, 02:22 AM	#2
Glider Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London Posts: 3,917	I believe that all versions of the Mk 2 fought in Burma

06-09-2009, 02:28 PM	#7
Colin1 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 2,446	Guys I don't want to nit-pick but the PTO was largely run by the US and I don't recall them using Hurricanes, range would likely have been a big issue. Do we by any chance mean the CBI here? There were plenty of Hurricanes in the CBI...

06-09-2009, 04:10 PM	#9
timshatz Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Phila, Pa Posts: 3,820	Funny this question should come up... I was reading the "Bloody Shambles" series last night. It said the 2b Hurris were out there. Also, that the pilots/crews pulled 4 of the 12 guns out of the wings to lessen the load and make it more responsive.

06-09-2009, 04:20 PM	#11
Tinplate58 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 32	Hurricanes in the PTO Syscom........after Sumatra fell ( Feb. ) the remnants of 232, 242, 488(NZ), 605 and 258 withdrew to Java .Stations included Tjililitan, Andir, Lembang and Kalidjati. The squadrons were more or less amalgamated into temporary units alongside the Dutch. They were all re-formed after Java surrendered . Other Hurricane squadrons in the India-Burma-Indian Ocean area in 1941--2 were 30 and 261 in Ceylon. Nick

06-09-2009, 04:41 PM	#13
Jerry W. Loper Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 60	Hurricanes Over Singapore The book in the subject line says the Hurricanes fighting in the Dutch East Indies had a speed of only 250 m.p.h. Would the Volkes filters they were fitted with (I think they were Mark II's) really slow them down that much?

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