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09-30-2009, 11:42 PM
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| Got me very curious E...
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10-01-2009, 07:50 AM
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10-01-2009, 08:38 AM
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| Mike Once again a very interesting posting. Can I ask where would be best place to look for the combat reports iro the Typhoons. I say this as at first glance they did pretty well in an aircraft not known for its dogfighting ability, flown by crews trained for GA not dogfighting and being on the receiving end of the initial bounce. If you could point me in the right direction it would be appreciated. |
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10-01-2009, 10:51 AM
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| Dan - when you said "one of the worst days for the Luftwaffe fighter arm" didn't you mean for III./JG54 specifically? |
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10-01-2009, 11:21 AM
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| Excellent Mike, THANKS for the reports... Alot of info to digest here...... Haanes report is almost unreadable, but I can figure it out.... Its a hellovalot better than what Ive been able to find so far, and his report is pretty damn important to the scheme of things... Thanks again Mike... Interesting is that he says the first and second aircraft destroyed both turned to PORT rather than starboard... F/Sgt Haanes report pieces: They were flying on deck level going North... Red 3, 2/Lt Stousland broke down on them immediatly and I followed.. On the way down I passed Red 3 and got on the tail of the Fw 190 in the rear.. He broke to PORT about 200 yards ahead of me... As he broke I fired a short burst and hit him in the port wing... Pieces came off and he crashed on the ground and exploded... I followed 2/Lt Stousland who was chasing an Fw 190... I saw him hit the Hun in the hood and the 190 crashed a few seconds later... I followed up the chase and got about 300 yards behind another Fw 190.... He broke to PORT and I followed round... After about 270 degrees turn he climbed to about 600 feet... I got in a long burst and hit him in the wingroot and around the cockpit... He turned his aircraft on its back and bailed out... The aircraft crashed and exploded on the ground... A few seconds later one of our aircraft came diving down and overshot the Fw 190... One of the Huns fiired a shot burst and hit the Spitfire in the tail which came off... He spun into the gorund immediatly.. The pilot was probably Capt Reader... He says Weiss bailed out rather than stay in the plane and crash in the woods.... We know Weiss didnt jump for they found his body near the wreckage... Also, the fact is that the 2nd guy he shot down (Weiss) was the guy who shot off Readers tail section.... I read all the reports and it really gives this the realism we need.... Do we have any reports from the Typhoons from 168 Sq Mike??? I can make this work pretty damn good....
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10-01-2009, 11:22 AM
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| Yea Bill... They lost alot of guys this day... Not sure what GRuppe took the worst mauling in a single day of Ops for the Luftwaffe, but theres some doozies...
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10-01-2009, 11:32 AM
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| Also noted that the first 2 reports are the ones that will really matter, due to the time at which these combats happened.... Weiss (Stab./JG54) went down around 11am, Ungars' (11./JG54) victory was at 10:50 as was Uffz Reys' Typhoon claim... Dortenmanns (12./JG54) claim was approx. at 12:50pm, nowhere near the 1420 hrs the Norwegians have on their reports.... Lt Pragers (9./JG54) claim at 1:37pm of a Spitfire also doesnt match up with the time.... But damn having Haanes report is the icing on the cake...
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10-01-2009, 11:44 AM
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10-01-2009, 12:05 PM
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| Yea, I got the JG300/301 book and man, some really sobering days there Brother...
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10-01-2009, 06:02 PM
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| Hi David: Quote:
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10-01-2009, 06:32 PM
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I'm glad you found those reports interesting and of use. I agree the Haanes report is most applicable to your needs. Let me know if you have any trouble reading any portion of these reports. My copies might be a little clearer and I'm used to deciphering these old documents.
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10-01-2009, 07:19 PM
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| Some great info there guys. One thing to watch out for Dan - times. The Luftwaffe worked on a different time system which, IIRC, was one hour ahead of the actual time. For example, if it was 13.00hrs in England, with the time-zone shift it would be 14.00hrs in France/Germany but, by the German time system, it would actually be 15.00hrs. Can get quite confusing at times! And, of course, this also changed, as we do, with the summer to winter time changes, i.e., back an hour form late October.
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10-01-2009, 07:32 PM
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| Thanks to both of u for the info... I think we can exclude the 109 combats that happened after the Weiss shootdown... Otherwise Id be making a 10 minute video.... Now if we can find some pics of the aircraft in question to solidify the camo patterns and number patterns for the planes involved we can start getting the skins put together....
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10-02-2009, 03:16 AM
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| Do you want the pics of the Typhoons and Spits Dan? I'll look through my stuff to see if I have anything on the Luftwaffe aircraft involved.
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10-02-2009, 09:27 AM
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| If we can get pics of all aircraft involved, the accuracy will be tip top.... Trying to nail down the camo jobs on the Typhoons, Spits and Dora-9's...
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