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06-08-2005, 11:09 AM
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#31 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Country:  | I think the Italian guy is thinking about shooting at the ME.109 because the German made a pass at his wife. The German is actually in love with the Italian pilot and has to come to terms with his emotional state. the guy taking the picture is in love with the Italian's sister, but her dad doesn't approve because his appointment to the air force was done by Mussolini who they hate and are actually part of the underground planning to sabotage the the airfield when both aircraft return....... 
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06-08-2005, 11:23 AM
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06-08-2005, 11:24 AM
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06-08-2005, 11:57 AM
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06-08-2005, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by DAVIDICUS Soren said, "However it doesnt look like the 109 is doing any evasive maneuver at all. "
With a snapshot of a slice in time, I think its difficult to discern. The Me-109 may not be sure exactly where or how far behind him the MC-205 is. | With another fighter taking a pic almost right besides it, I doubt it  Quote: |
Who knows why the control surfaces do not indicate any hard manuevering.
| They dont indicate any maneuvering at all, the control surfaces are all in-active. Quote: |
At that precise moment, he may be trying to pick up a little speed but unwilling to drop significant altitude to do so.
| That would be a real stupid way to try and evade a foe right behind you, wouldnt you say ? Quote: |
Another interesting issue is the picture itself. It would have had to have been taken from a plane alongside this spectacle. How did that come about?
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06-08-2005, 12:45 PM
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06-08-2005, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ I think the Italian guy is thinking about shooting at the ME.109 because the German made a pass at his wife. The German is actually in love with the Italian pilot and has to come to terms with his emotional state. the guy taking the picture is in love with the Italian's sister, but her dad doesn't approve because his appointment to the air force was done by Mussolini who they hate and are actually part of the underground planning to sabotage the the airfield when both aircraft return....... |
How long did it take you to come up with this ?
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06-08-2005, 12:46 PM
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06-08-2005, 12:48 PM
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#39 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Originally Posted by Soren Quote: |
Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ I think the Italian guy is thinking about shooting at the ME.109 because the German made a pass at his wife. The German is actually in love with the Italian pilot and has to come to terms with his emotional state. the guy taking the picture is in love with the Italian's sister, but her dad doesn't approve because his appointment to the air force was done by Mussolini who they hate and are actually part of the underground planning to sabotage the the airfield when both aircraft return....... |
How long did it take you to come up with this ? | The makings of a sick mind 
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06-08-2005, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by plan_D It was actually the Italian's daughter and he didn't approve because she was only 12! Get it right, FB! | Oh yea - and she had a moustache!
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06-08-2005, 12:51 PM
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06-08-2005, 01:00 PM
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| Soren, who said it was a fighter along side? It could have been a bomber or transport. At any rate, why would it be the case that the Me-109 depicted would necessarily know where or how far the Mc-205 is behind him?
What makes you think that fighter pilots have not done or would never do anything stupid while evading or pursuing for that matter?
This is all speculation. A picture is a slice in time that can betray assumptions.
I stand by my assertion that it will always be the case that two fighters, on opposite sides, one in front of the other, will necesssarily be engaged in combat.
That being said, I would agree that the vantage point of the photographer is cause for suspicion. (I was the one who first raised this issue.) The vantage point of the photographer can raise the inference, however reasonable or unreasonable, that these two fighters are not in fact two fighters on opposite sides (a necessary condition to my assertion). The picture could, after all, be a post war depiction.
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06-08-2005, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ
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06-08-2005, 01:40 PM
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| It is possible that its a post war pic, its actually very possible. Quote: |
Soren, who said it was a fighter along side? It could have been a bomber or transport.
| The a/c from which the pic was taken, can very well be a bomber or transport, just as well as it could be a fighter. Quote: |
What makes you think that fighter pilots have not done or would never do anything stupid while evading or pursuing for that matter?
| Most commonly a pilot who is chased will try and evade his foe, rather be a sitting duck.(I Know I would !) But then again, maybe this 109 pilot is just tired of life, who knows (Kidding  ) Quote: |
This is all speculation. A picture is a slice in time that can betray assumptions.
| Exactly.
However here's what seems to be visible on the picture:
The 109 isn't doing any evasive maneuver, and the MC.205 seems to be flying besides it. Also there is no smoke coming from the 109, nor is there any visible damage on the 109.
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06-08-2005, 02:09 PM
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Country: | Those are actually ANR markings on the MC.205, so they are in fact just flying in formation.
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