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08-03-2005, 03:48 PM
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#151 | | Der Crewchief
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__________________  US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | 
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08-03-2005, 04:25 PM
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#152 | | He who does not skim
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ The fellow I work with who served under Robin Olds, Larry Rider is a Sales Rep for Ximango Aircraft - didn't come in today - I'll hit him up the next time I see him. | Yeah, that should be interesting! | |
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08-04-2005, 10:18 AM
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#153 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Country:  | OK FOLKS! - Got together today with Larry Rider (Lt.Col USAF Ret.) He flew with Robin Olds during Operation Bolo in 1966, had some interesting stuff to say......
Larry told me when you went into a briefing with Olds, he started out low key, but as the briefing went on you could see him get fired up to the point where you felt like you were preparing for a football game and the coach was giving you the pre-game pep-talk. Real inspirational leader....
When I asked Larry about Olds shooting down more than 4 Migs, he grinned and said, "I can't confirm or deny." Actually he did tell me it was rumored that Olds actually had 6 to 8 kills.......
Apparently Olds made Brigadier prior to going to Viet Nam. He allowed himself to be "redlined" so he was reduced in rank and made CO of the 555th as a Bird Colonel - he was not ready to sit behind a desk!
I asked Larry if he ever engaged Migs, he said "a few times, never got a kill." He did say that one time he locked on to something going pretty fast, his WSO thought it was a MiG-21. As he was being vectored toward the target (thinking he was going to get his first kill) a Navy Talos missile was fired from a destroyer (he was off the coast of North Viet Nam) and killed the target 
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08-04-2005, 10:20 AM
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#154 | | "Shooter"
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08-04-2005, 11:29 AM
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#155 | | Master of Ewes
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Originally Posted by FB As he was being vectored toward the target (thinking he was going to get his first kill) a Navy Talos missile was fired from a destroyer (he was off the coast of North Viet Nam) and killed the target | well that's just not cricket.........
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08-04-2005, 11:38 AM
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#156 | | He who does not skim
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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass well that's just not cricket......... | Translation: That kinda sucks!
Great story though. Sounds like Olds was a helluva guy. Even takes a demotion to lead the boys, and scores some Mig kills in the process.  | |
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08-04-2005, 11:59 AM
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#157 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Country: | I'll ask Larry if I could post HOW Olds got redlined..... It's been kind of kept under wraps.......
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08-04-2005, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ I'll ask Larry if I could post HOW Olds got redlined..... It's been kind of kept under wraps....... | According Olds in the interview he had been put on the roster for confirmation but because he wanted to go to Vietnam he pulled a prank. When his CO. told him off and thretened to pull his name from the roster he said "Yes Sir", smiled and left without being dismissed. All it did was delay things anyway.
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08-05-2005, 08:53 PM
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#159 | | Der Crewchief
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__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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08-05-2005, 09:26 PM
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#160 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Country: | OK - "I will not confirm or deny....."
Upon getting one star, things were a bit boring. Olds was part of an aerial demonstration team called the "Acrojets" after WW2, he liked putting on shows. On a whim, I guess he decided to put on an unapproved airshow at a foreign base. I guess this wasn't a matter of a few aircraft, I guess he had a whole wing under his command whiz around this SAC base for a day. The base commander (his boss) didn't take too lightly to this. After some butt-chewing (which probably rolled off him) his name was placed on the red-line list. Not only wasn't he getting a 2nd star, he was actually getting demoted, provided he didn't just retire then (which he could of). After some words with his boss, he was told "That attitude could get you sent to Viet Nam." Olds took that as an order and showed up in Thailand! Eventually he was given the 555th.
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08-05-2005, 09:29 PM
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#161 | | Der Crewchief
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__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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08-14-2005, 12:09 PM
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#162 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by vanir WRT the OP and K4 vs Mustang, I've just been watching some war footage of the allied bombing campaign prior to the introduction of P51 escorts (a fatality rate of 8+% for US bomber crews, or less than 13 mission survivability), in which 109's massed to intercept bomber flights and were followed by 110's which really carved them up with rockets.
At this time the Luftwaffe were enjoying an 8:1 kill ratio against RAF fighters that tried to cross the channel, btw.
Even so, during some missions every single Luftwaffe fighter would have as many as 540 machineguns trained on them each pass by the bombers overlapping cover zones. It is considered their effort and that of their industry to rebuild was phenominal.
But it was becoming a war of attrition and the Luftwaffe were quickly running out of experienced pilots.
When Mustangs came with the bombers, they attacked the German fighters while they were still massing, and made mince meat of pursuing 110's. This changed the bombing campaign through 1943 into one in which the allies gained total air superiority.
So by the time magnificent aircraft like the K4 made it to squadron service, you had pilots who were still pimpled and anxious about dating girls.
There were so many allied aircraft flying over Germany at this time,
"fighter bombers often had to wait in line to attack targets."
-Wings of War documentary.
I think while the Mustang's appearance can not be understated, I'd agree that its performance as a contemporary dogfighter may be somewhat a little overrated. | I think it's more a case of the bf-109 being underrated. Some authors blame the 109 for the large losses in combat while it was an ever able plane.
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08-14-2005, 03:55 PM
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#163 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | The 109 in my opinion is very underated. It was certainly not the best fighter of WW2 but I dont think it gets the credit that it deserves.
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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08-14-2005, 04:02 PM
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#164 | | Senior Member
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| Agreed. It is the axis equivalent to the Spitfire. It was still competent in 1945
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08-14-2005, 04:46 PM
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#165 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Yeap certainly agree. Hey since you are from Cypress what can you tell me about the Cypriat Airlines plane that crashed.
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