 | Italy v. England - Air to air| Aviation Discuss Italy v. England - Air to air in the World War II - Aviation forums; I think he was, lanc. Either that or I'm sensing a lot of tension in this room. :-"... |
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04-27-2005, 11:47 AM
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#46 | | He who does not skim
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Country:  | I think he was, lanc. Either that or I'm sensing a lot of tension in this room. :-"  | 
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04-27-2005, 12:00 PM
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| No, actually I didn't sense that Lanc's post was meant as a joke. Especially the point about test aircraft being modified. I guess I missed the punchline. My misunderstanding.
All is in harmony with the universe again. 
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04-27-2005, 12:14 PM
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#48 | | Master of Ewes
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Thus, if we were comparing the best American fighters to the best German fighters, under your analysis, the P-51 could not be included
| one more point, that would not bother me in the least 
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04-29-2005, 08:42 AM
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Country:  | Italian airframes were very good. The earlier planes such as the MC.200 had very good flight characteristics but simply sufered from being underpowered. Marry the Italian airframe to a German engine and you have a superb aircraft.
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04-29-2005, 10:07 AM
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| I take it then that the general consensus is that the British Spitfires were not a match for the five series Italian birds? | |
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04-29-2005, 10:29 AM
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Country: | I dont think so. Later version of the Spitfire would have been better than them, but then again if the 5 series Italian fighters had gone on in production and development then they would probably have have kept ahead of the Spits.
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04-29-2005, 10:37 AM
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| I'm not sure I understand Mr. Cheese. So in September of 1943, were there any Spitfires that could match the 5 series Italian fighters. I think that's the gist of this topic. | |
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04-29-2005, 10:39 AM
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Country: | I dont think there were  The only slight problem i can see are the Italian pilots
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04-29-2005, 12:11 PM
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#54 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | that's more than a slight problem.........
but i diss agree, i think the spit would have no problem beating a series 5.........
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04-29-2005, 12:26 PM
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| Lanc, you would disagree that a Saggitario could easily take out a Hurricane.
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04-29-2005, 12:40 PM
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#56 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | the fact that i have no idea what a Saggitario is, would lead me to say no way ho!! the hurricane could easily take oge of them saggy things out.........
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04-29-2005, 12:47 PM
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| Great fan of the Hurri that I am, by the end of it's carrer in the MTO, the only a/c a Hurri could really take on was the MC.202 (I think Im right on the disgnation, I mean the big tubby one with a radial engine and 2x .50cal MGs). The 5 series would eat the Hurri for luch...
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04-29-2005, 01:04 PM
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#58 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | yes but not the spit...........
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04-29-2005, 01:40 PM
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| No, I think you mean the Macchi MC-200 Saetta 
Or, the Fiat G.50 Freccia 
The Macchi MC-202 Folgore could quite easily handle a Hurricane. In fact, it was known to hold its own against the P-51 and the Spitfire. (Lanc would obviously disagree but keep in mind that he's been sniffing model airplane glue for some time now ) 
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04-29-2005, 01:51 PM
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| Lanc, which was the best combat operational Spitfire model by September of '43. It's not clear to me which Spitfire is being compared to the 5 Series planes.
And for God's sake take that tube of glue out of your nose! 
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