Italy v. England - Air to air - Page 4 - Aircraft of World War II

Nonskimmer · 04-27-2005, 11:47 AM

I think he was, lanc. Either that or I'm sensing a lot of tension in this room. :-"

DAVIDICUS · 04-27-2005, 12:00 PM

No, actually I didn't sense that Lanc's post was meant as a joke. Especially the point about test aircraft being modified. I guess I missed the punchline. My misunderstanding.

All is in harmony with the universe again.

the lancaster kicks ass · 04-27-2005, 12:14 PM

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Thus, if we were comparing the best American fighters to the best German fighters, under your analysis, the P-51 could not be included

one more point, that would not bother me in the least

cheddar cheese · 04-29-2005, 08:42 AM

Italian airframes were very good. The earlier planes such as the MC.200 had very good flight characteristics but simply sufered from being underpowered. Marry the Italian airframe to a German engine and you have a superb aircraft.

Sal Monella · 04-29-2005, 10:07 AM

I take it then that the general consensus is that the British Spitfires were not a match for the five series Italian birds?

cheddar cheese · 04-29-2005, 10:29 AM

I dont think so. Later version of the Spitfire would have been better than them, but then again if the 5 series Italian fighters had gone on in production and development then they would probably have have kept ahead of the Spits.

Sal Monella · 04-29-2005, 10:37 AM

I'm not sure I understand Mr. Cheese. So in September of 1943, were there any Spitfires that could match the 5 series Italian fighters. I think that's the gist of this topic.

cheddar cheese · 04-29-2005, 10:39 AM

I dont think there were

The only slight problem i can see are the Italian pilots

the lancaster kicks ass · 04-29-2005, 12:11 PM

that's more than a slight problem.........

but i diss agree, i think the spit would have no problem beating a series 5.........

DAVIDICUS · 04-29-2005, 12:26 PM

Lanc, you would disagree that a Saggitario could easily take out a Hurricane.

the lancaster kicks ass · 04-29-2005, 12:40 PM

the fact that i have no idea what a Saggitario is, would lead me to say no way ho!! the hurricane could easily take oge of them saggy things out.........

BombTaxi · 04-29-2005, 12:47 PM

Great fan of the Hurri that I am, by the end of it's carrer in the MTO, the only a/c a Hurri could really take on was the MC.202 (I think Im right on the disgnation, I mean the big tubby one with a radial engine and 2x .50cal MGs). The 5 series would eat the Hurri for luch...

the lancaster kicks ass · 04-29-2005, 01:04 PM

yes but not the spit...........

DAVIDICUS · 04-29-2005, 01:40 PM

No, I think you mean the Macchi MC-200 Saetta

Or, the Fiat G.50 Freccia

The Macchi MC-202 Folgore could quite easily handle a Hurricane. In fact, it was known to hold its own against the P-51 and the Spitfire. (Lanc would obviously disagree but keep in mind that he's been sniffing model airplane glue for some time now

)

DAVIDICUS · 04-29-2005, 01:51 PM

Lanc, which was the best combat operational Spitfire model by September of '43. It's not clear to me which Spitfire is being compared to the 5 Series planes.

And for God's sake take that tube of glue out of your nose!

04-27-2005, 12:00 PM	#47
DAVIDICUS Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 880	No, actually I didn't sense that Lanc's post was meant as a joke. Especially the point about test aircraft being modified. I guess I missed the punchline. My misunderstanding. All is in harmony with the universe again. __________________ . -=DAVIDICUS MAXIMUS=- .

04-29-2005, 12:11 PM	#54
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	that's more than a slight problem......... but i diss agree, i think the spit would have no problem beating a series 5......... __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

04-29-2005, 12:26 PM	#55
DAVIDICUS Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 880	Lanc, you would disagree that a Saggitario could easily take out a Hurricane. __________________ . -=DAVIDICUS MAXIMUS=- .

04-29-2005, 12:40 PM	#56
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	the fact that i have no idea what a Saggitario is, would lead me to say no way ho!! the hurricane could easily take oge of them saggy things out......... __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

04-29-2005, 12:47 PM	#57
BombTaxi Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Brownhills, W. Mids, UK Posts: 1,189	Great fan of the Hurri that I am, by the end of it's carrer in the MTO, the only a/c a Hurri could really take on was the MC.202 (I think Im right on the disgnation, I mean the big tubby one with a radial engine and 2x .50cal MGs). The 5 series would eat the Hurri for luch... __________________ Good generals think about tactics. Great generals think about logistics. "If freedom is to be saved and enlarged, poverty must be ended. There is no other solution." - Nye Bevan "Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to ask for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee" - John Donne, Meditation XVII

04-27-2005, 11:47 AM	#46
Nonskimmer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 8,871	I think he was, lanc. Either that or I'm sensing a lot of tension in this room. :-"

04-29-2005, 08:42 AM	#49
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	Italian airframes were very good. The earlier planes such as the MC.200 had very good flight characteristics but simply sufered from being underpowered. Marry the Italian airframe to a German engine and you have a superb aircraft.

04-29-2005, 10:07 AM	#50
Sal Monella Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Redwood City Posts: 223	I take it then that the general consensus is that the British Spitfires were not a match for the five series Italian birds?

04-29-2005, 10:29 AM	#51
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	I dont think so. Later version of the Spitfire would have been better than them, but then again if the 5 series Italian fighters had gone on in production and development then they would probably have have kept ahead of the Spits.

04-29-2005, 10:37 AM	#52
Sal Monella Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Redwood City Posts: 223	I'm not sure I understand Mr. Cheese. So in September of 1943, were there any Spitfires that could match the 5 series Italian fighters. I think that's the gist of this topic.

04-29-2005, 10:39 AM	#53
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	I dont think there were The only slight problem i can see are the Italian pilots

04-29-2005, 01:04 PM	#58
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	yes but not the spit........... __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

04-29-2005, 01:40 PM	#59
DAVIDICUS Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 880	No, I think you mean the Macchi MC-200 Saetta Or, the Fiat G.50 Freccia The Macchi MC-202 Folgore could quite easily handle a Hurricane. In fact, it was known to hold its own against the P-51 and the Spitfire. (Lanc would obviously disagree but keep in mind that he's been sniffing model airplane glue for some time now ) __________________ . -=DAVIDICUS MAXIMUS=- .

04-29-2005, 01:51 PM	#60
DAVIDICUS Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 880	Lanc, which was the best combat operational Spitfire model by September of '43. It's not clear to me which Spitfire is being compared to the 5 Series planes. And for God's sake take that tube of glue out of your nose! __________________ . -=DAVIDICUS MAXIMUS=- .

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