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04-30-2005, 10:54 AM
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#76 | | He who does not skim
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04-30-2005, 10:59 AM
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#77 | | Konfused with a 'K'
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Country:  | He did forget the Re-2005 though: 
Heres a pic of the Re-2000, getting ready to be launched via catapult off a ship.
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04-30-2005, 11:02 AM
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#78 | | Master of Ewes
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04-30-2005, 11:05 AM
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Country: | If you were to look at the profiles you would see a noticable different between the Re-2005 and the other 2, which do look similar.
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04-30-2005, 11:07 AM
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08-19-2006, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Sal Monella I'm not sure I understand Mr. Cheese. So in September of 1943, were there any Spitfires that could match the 5 series Italian fighters. I think that's the gist of this topic. | The 5 Series were slightly better than the Mk V Spitfire.
However, the Spitfire Mk IX (408mph) which first saw service in the Med during December 42 was better than the any of the 5 Series.
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In Jan 44 the XVI Spitfire ( 448mph) entered service
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08-25-2006, 02:20 PM
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Country:  | The picture of the MC.205 with the engine fairing off kinda reminds me of a Ju87.
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08-25-2006, 03:13 PM
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08-25-2006, 03:44 PM
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| "Is it me or do all Italian fighters pay homage to the Julius Ceaser nose?"
That ain't homage to an Italian nose but to another Italian appendage. | |
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08-25-2006, 03:46 PM
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09-04-2006, 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by redcoat The 5 Series were slightly better than the Mk V Spitfire.
However, the Spitfire Mk IX (408mph) which first saw service in the Med during December 42 was better than the any of the 5 Series.
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In Jan 44 the XVI Spitfire ( 448mph) entered service | Not really. G.55&Re2005 were much powerful (MG151/20*3 BREDA*2),and not too slow(385&391MPH). C.205 got 399MPH. Germans thought G.55 batter than Bf109, 1943. Besides,BF109F or BF109G better than spit MK V. So I think 5 Series were much better than SPIT MK V, Spitfire MK IX was slightly better than 5 Series. Maybe the same.
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09-06-2006, 08:32 AM
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Country: | It amazes me that there is this much conjecture over which planes could whip which other air force. I think it has been adequately proven that there is enough room for pilot skill that given the front-line fighter from any WWII air force, the successful pilots would still be successful. That being said, the RAF vs. the Italians (all things being equal) would be a fair match. In reality, the top of the line Italian planes were a little slower, a little less nimble, and available in far fewer numbers, even given the home field advantage.
Don't get me wrong, I love the top three (MC205, RE2005, G.55) but there just wasn't enough of them to stem the Allied tide. The Allies could have swept the Italian AF out of the sky with P-40s if they had to. There just weren't enough skilled Italian pilots... (quantitatively speaking).
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09-06-2006, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Bullockracing In reality, the top of the line Italian planes were a little slower, a little less nimble, and available in far fewer numbers, even given the home field advantage. | Oh I think you will find that you're very wrong !
With a top speed of 678 km/h (421mph) at just 1,475 HP and a maneuverability described as better than that of the Spitfire, the Re.2005 was certainly not inferior to any RAF fighter. And the firepower of the Re.2005 was better as-well having three 20mm MG151 cannons and two 12.7mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns.
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09-12-2006, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Soren Oh I think you will find that you're very wrong !
With a top speed of 678 km/h (421mph) at just 1,475 HP and a maneuverability described as better than that of the Spitfire, the Re.2005 was certainly not inferior to any RAF fighter. And the firepower of the Re.2005 was better as-well having three 20mm MG151 cannons and two 12.7mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns. | The Re.2005 was only available starting in 1942, and by then the Griffon-engined Spits were available, capable of over 450 mph, speaking in limited-production numbers. The 11mph advantage over the Merlin-engined Spits is minimal, and while the armament may have been better, this is merely the whopping 37 Re.2005s that were available. The average Spit had a significant advantage over the average Re.2000 series fighter in a number of areas. | |
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