If it was made by the BBC the pilots would be women and the commanders gay while Park would be from a Mauri tribe, the conflict would be ended by a party arranged with the LW by the LBGTIQ community.
Kill Ratios
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Could be HBO too.
I wasn't actually joking Adler, the BBC have a policy of quotas in their drama casts, this leads to all sorts of ridiculous and completely implausible story lines.
fastmongrel
1st Sergeant
The only quotas the BBC seems to have in dramas is that all characters are played by nice chaps or chapesses who went to Eton or if they are desperate for an actor Rugby or as a last resort Marlbrough (usually Jack sodding Whitehall). I watched something recently where the actresses accent in one sentence pole vaulted across the Pennines from Lancashire to Yorkshire and ended up sounding like Noddy Holder.
That's how I have read it. However the losses must be seen in the context of production. British production was well over German estimates of it while German production was well below British estimates. Both sides believed that Germany was producing most while the reverse was actually the truth. Additionally the German front line bombers were not changed throughout the war apart from a few He 177s while the British had three heavy bombers nearing production.
GregP
Major
Sorry I asked.
What are you upset about now?
Fighterguy
Airman
Are you talking about the Israeli F-15 that lost a wing, but returned? If so, that was a mid-air collision during a training exercise. Also, getting hit by a SAM does not fall under the scope of air-to-air kill ratio. Regardless, the F-15 A/C has an "unofficial" tally of 104:0 kill, other sources put it at 102:0, with zero losses to ground fire. The F-15E has 1:0, but did lose 3 aircraft to ground fire..Next up is the British Sea Harrier at 21:0, with 3 ground fire losses.
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
Fighterguy
Airman
So, when was an F-15 (air superiority, not mud hen) hit by a missile, outside the 1990 incident in Alaska?
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Barrett
Senior Airman
Barrett
Senior Airman
Just posted a reply on a similar Pacific Theater thread:
The FM-2 "Wilder Wildcat" probably retains the world record for piston fighters at 32-1. And unlike most other VFs, I'm inclined to accept the FM record almost at face value because of the nature of its mission. Air defense of CVE task groups very seldom generated the multi-multi bogey furballs common to Hellcats and Corsairs with their inevitably high claiming errors. Look at the FM's breakdown and it's a high % of "bomber" (bmber-attack) types which GENERALLY were easier to track than fighters.
The FM-2 "Wilder Wildcat" probably retains the world record for piston fighters at 32-1. And unlike most other VFs, I'm inclined to accept the FM record almost at face value because of the nature of its mission. Air defense of CVE task groups very seldom generated the multi-multi bogey furballs common to Hellcats and Corsairs with their inevitably high claiming errors. Look at the FM's breakdown and it's a high % of "bomber" (bmber-attack) types which GENERALLY were easier to track than fighters.
The Luftwaffe 'losses to unknown causes' were assumed lost to enemy action, in their quite elaborate reporting procedures.
The Americans attributed 'unknown losses' to the category that seemed most likely i.e. due to enemy aircraft, AAA, etc.
Your 'B' airforce doesn't seem to be beyond dispute when applied to the Luftwaffe. USAAF, or USN.
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GregP
Major
Not upset at all, Chris, and in case you haven't been tracking it, I haven't been in a LONG time. Things are what they are; no point is getting upset about it.
I thought we had some idea of the real losses in the BOB. To see otherwise in graphic detail merely adds to the frustration of trying to find our the number of planes shot down. Been chasing that one for a long time, as you know.
But, if we can't agree on the number of losses during a several-month period by type, we'll probably never arrive at general agreement on losses for the war. I figured that but hope otherwise. To me, we SHOULD know the losses by type and the argument should be lost to what? Combat, operational, unknown, etc. Not how many ran into grief on the missions. That should not be hard to get from somewhere ... but it is.
Cheers.
I thought we had some idea of the real losses in the BOB. To see otherwise in graphic detail merely adds to the frustration of trying to find our the number of planes shot down. Been chasing that one for a long time, as you know.
But, if we can't agree on the number of losses during a several-month period by type, we'll probably never arrive at general agreement on losses for the war. I figured that but hope otherwise. To me, we SHOULD know the losses by type and the argument should be lost to what? Combat, operational, unknown, etc. Not how many ran into grief on the missions. That should not be hard to get from somewhere ... but it is.
Cheers.
FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
As far as I know, never
DarrenW
Staff Sergeant
Not to be funny but I really need to do some research and see which versions of which model of fighter aircraft had what kill ratios (i.e. an F6F-3 compaired to an F6F-5, or a P-51B vs. a P-51C or D). I always felt that a Wildcat was a Wildcat, whether an FM-2 or an F4F (dash 1, 2, 3, 4 ect....). Am I basically a minority here to see things this way?
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