Lancaster LM546 crash site Plochingen - Aircraft of World War II

jupiter · 01-09-2009, 03:15 PM

Started this thread on the basic forum and been advised to place it here.
My Grandfathers Lancaster Lm546 part of 625 squadron was shot down on the 28/29/7/44 whilst on a raid on Stuttgart.
Through previous research and help from others i believe he was shot down by Ufftz M.Ullmann of 2/NJG4.
The Lancaster went down in a wooded area near motorway 10 close to Plochingen.All crew survived and spent the rest of the war in POW camps.My grandfather went to Stalag Luft iii .
I would like to know if the exact location is known?
Did any wreckage survived the war?
Are their any eyewittness reports or local records?
and anything else lol

My own lead so far has been a mention in the book Stuttgart im Luftkrieg 1939-1945.
Contact made with Stuttgart and Esslingen have drawn blanks.
I t has been suggested i contact the Burgemister but my lack of German prevents this.I have tried finding an address but aagain no German makes this hard.
I guess i want to complete the story, i know all the details of the raid, a good idea who shot him down nad which camp he went to.

If any want to add info on Ufftz Ullmann and 2/NJG4 please feel free

Thanks
Pete

seesul · 01-09-2009, 03:40 PM

Pete, I´ll create a new thread at luftarchiv.de with all your questions and then I´ll post you a link. We gotta search on German forum...

Catch22 · 01-09-2009, 03:47 PM

I'm sure somebody would help you draft a letter. I'm willing to help, but I'm sure there are people with much better knowledge than my high school German. Many Germans speak English, and I would imagine the Bürgermeister would be one of them, so once initial contact is made, I think you could continue in English.

seesul · 01-09-2009, 04:27 PM

Pete,

just noted you already posted your request to luftarchiv.de. I translated it and posted it again in German LBB « Luftwaffe Bullet Board » Forum zur deutschen Luftfahrtgeschichte

Hope you´ll get a positive feedback soon. If no, I´ll try to get in touch with people from Pochlingen, let´s wait for 1 week...

jupiter · 01-09-2009, 06:25 PM

cheers mate

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 01-10-2009, 07:29 AM

Next time I go to Stuttgart, I will make a trip to Plochingen and see if I can dig anything up in the Archives or at the Mayors.

jupiter · 01-10-2009, 07:51 AM

Thats great thanks

Airframes · 01-11-2009, 04:30 AM

Chris, that's really good of you. I hope you can find something, as it is due to one of 'Jupiter's' posts that I joined this forum. I'm the guy who painted the picture of his Grandfather's Lanc, which was made into limited edition prints, signed by the four remaining crew members, including Jupiter's Grandfather. (That's it in his avatar) Because of this, I have a bit of a personal interest also.
Thanks for offering to help, and I'm looking forward to any news you can find.
Terry.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 01-11-2009, 06:50 AM

I should be down in Stuttgart in a few weeks. I am going to go ahead and send an email to the mayors office to see if I can already get some info.

Airframes · 01-11-2009, 06:57 AM

That's brilliant Chris! I'm sure that Jupiter will be very pleased with your efforts, thank you very much indeed!
BTW, like your new siggy!
Terry.

01-09-2009, 03:15 PM	#1
jupiter Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 43	Lancaster LM546 crash site Plochingen Started this thread on the basic forum and been advised to place it here. My Grandfathers Lancaster Lm546 part of 625 squadron was shot down on the 28/29/7/44 whilst on a raid on Stuttgart. Through previous research and help from others i believe he was shot down by Ufftz M.Ullmann of 2/NJG4. The Lancaster went down in a wooded area near motorway 10 close to Plochingen.All crew survived and spent the rest of the war in POW camps.My grandfather went to Stalag Luft iii . I would like to know if the exact location is known? Did any wreckage survived the war? Are their any eyewittness reports or local records? and anything else lol My own lead so far has been a mention in the book Stuttgart im Luftkrieg 1939-1945. Contact made with Stuttgart and Esslingen have drawn blanks. I t has been suggested i contact the Burgemister but my lack of German prevents this.I have tried finding an address but aagain no German makes this hard. I guess i want to complete the story, i know all the details of the raid, a good idea who shot him down nad which camp he went to. If any want to add info on Ufftz Ullmann and 2/NJG4 please feel free Thanks Pete

01-09-2009, 03:40 PM	#2
seesul Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Zlin, Czech Republic Posts: 2,489	Pete, I´ll create a new thread at luftarchiv.de with all your questions and then I´ll post you a link. We gotta search on German forum... __________________ Roman Susil Zlin, Czech Republic ...a friend of Joe Owsianik,So. Plainfield, NJ, a former left waist gunner from B-17G ''Tail End Charlie" from 2ndBG,20th Sqdn who was forced to bail out on Aug. 29th, 1944 over my country.

01-09-2009, 03:47 PM	#3
Catch22 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Posts: 4,293	I'm sure somebody would help you draft a letter. I'm willing to help, but I'm sure there are people with much better knowledge than my high school German. Many Germans speak English, and I would imagine the Bürgermeister would be one of them, so once initial contact is made, I think you could continue in English. __________________

01-09-2009, 04:27 PM	#4
seesul Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Zlin, Czech Republic Posts: 2,489	Pete, just noted you already posted your request to luftarchiv.de. I translated it and posted it again in German LBB « Luftwaffe Bullet Board » Forum zur deutschen Luftfahrtgeschichte Hope you´ll get a positive feedback soon. If no, I´ll try to get in touch with people from Pochlingen, let´s wait for 1 week... __________________ Roman Susil Zlin, Czech Republic ...a friend of Joe Owsianik,So. Plainfield, NJ, a former left waist gunner from B-17G ''Tail End Charlie" from 2ndBG,20th Sqdn who was forced to bail out on Aug. 29th, 1944 over my country.

01-10-2009, 07:29 AM	#6
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	Next time I go to Stuttgart, I will make a trip to Plochingen and see if I can dig anything up in the Archives or at the Mayors. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

01-09-2009, 06:25 PM	#5
jupiter Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 43	cheers mate

01-10-2009, 07:51 AM	#7
jupiter Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 43	Thats great thanks

01-11-2009, 04:30 AM	#8
Airframes Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,062	Chris, that's really good of you. I hope you can find something, as it is due to one of 'Jupiter's' posts that I joined this forum. I'm the guy who painted the picture of his Grandfather's Lanc, which was made into limited edition prints, signed by the four remaining crew members, including Jupiter's Grandfather. (That's it in his avatar) Because of this, I have a bit of a personal interest also. Thanks for offering to help, and I'm looking forward to any news you can find. Terry.

01-11-2009, 06:50 AM	#9
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	I should be down in Stuttgart in a few weeks. I am going to go ahead and send an email to the mayors office to see if I can already get some info. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

01-11-2009, 06:57 AM	#10
Airframes Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,062	That's brilliant Chris! I'm sure that Jupiter will be very pleased with your efforts, thank you very much indeed! BTW, like your new siggy! Terry.

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