The last days of a Champion. - Aircraft of World War II

Soren · 11-01-2005, 11:46 PM

Its Goodbye to one of the world's greatest aircraft, the F-14 Tomcat.

The F-14 Tomcat's last deployment ends this fall and they will be withdrawn from service, its going to be a sad day.

The F-14's replacement is going to be the F-18 Super Hornet, which I think is going to have a hard time living up to the F-14D to be honest.

What are your thoughts on this ? Do you think the Super Hornet will live up to the task, or should they have kept the Tomcat instead ?

PS: No, your not crazy if you keep hearing the Top Gun anthem over and over again in your head.

FLYBOYJ · 11-02-2005, 12:55 AM

As a former USNR Maintainer (I worked P-3s and C-130s) I knew guys who worked on both - many love the -18 becuase it is "maintainer friendly," many have told me the -14 is a real b*tch and was getting worse as she got older. Even with the Mods and the "BombCat," many guys disliked being around her and her FMC rate was getting worse and worse. Either way she will be missed by both pilots and crews...

the lancaster kicks ass · 11-02-2005, 03:44 AM

indeed she is one of the greats, it will be odd no longer being able to see american carriers with F-14s sitting on deck.........

Gnomey · 11-02-2005, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass

indeed she is one of the greats, it will be odd no longer being able to see american carriers with F-14s sitting on deck.........

I agree Lanc, it will be. It is a shame to see another of the great aircraft removed from front line service but these things happen. We will see if the F-18 lives up to the F-14 I'm sure, though I am not sure it will.

lesofprimus · 11-02-2005, 09:03 AM

I think the Navy is going to have problems with just the Super Hornet as a CAP fighter... Last time I checked the F-14's were still carrying the AIM-54 Phoenix missle, one which the F-18 is incapable of utilizing...

Anyone have any idea how those Tomcat pilots did at the last Red Flag excercise in comparison to the F-18 Squadrons???

syscom3 · 11-02-2005, 10:08 AM

The Tomcat was a cold war fighter, whose time has passed on.

Its primary opponents would have been big bombers launching cruise missles from long distances. I dont see that happening anymore.

I do hope the USN has some type of replacement missle for the Phoenix. The bomber threat isnt there anymore, but the cruise missles are.

cheddar cheese · 11-02-2005, 04:21 PM

Sad times, awesome plane...

Soren · 11-02-2005, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

As a former USNR Maintainer (I worked P-3s and C-130s) I knew guys who worked on both - many love the -18 becuase it is "maintainer friendly," many have told me the -14 is a real b*tch and was getting worse as she got older. Even with the Mods and the "BombCat," many guys disliked being around her and her FMC rate was getting worse and worse.

Yes, especially the last of the A models were a real buggar to work on. (Don't know about the D model though, as its rather new.)

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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

Either way she will be missed by both pilots and crews...

Especially the pilots, as she was getting better and better by each modification, and a really potent dogfighter in the end. The D model with its new aerodynamic and technical improvements could actually outmaneuver a F-15 under the right conditions, not bad considering the Eagle's reputation.

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Originally Posted by thelacasterkicksass

it will be odd no longer being able to see american carriers with F-14s sitting on deck.........

Indeed, it'll be the first time in over 60 years that no Grumman a/c are serving on US carriers.

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Originally Posted by lesofprimus

I think the Navy is going to have problems with just the Super Hornet as a CAP fighter... Last time I checked the F-14's were still carrying the AIM-54 Phoenix missle, one which the F-18 is incapable of utilizing...

I fully agree. The APG-71 radar on the -14D can pick out fighters at over 100 miles away, and bombers at over 285 miles. In single shot mode, the Phoenix has a maximum launch range of 145 miles. The AN/AAS-42 IRSTS has a comparable range, and with the the advantage of not giving away the Tomcat's position.
As far as I know the Super Hornet has none such qualities, and so far there isnt any missile that the Super Hornet can carry to fully replace the AIM-54 Phoenix either.

If it was up to me, I would've kept the -14 just abit longer.

FLYBOYJ · 11-02-2005, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Soren

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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

As a former USNR Maintainer (I worked P-3s and C-130s) I knew guys who worked on both - many love the -18 becuase it is "maintainer friendly," many have told me the -14 is a real b*tch and was getting worse as she got older. Even with the Mods and the "BombCat," many guys disliked being around her and her FMC rate was getting worse and worse.

Yes, especially the last of the A models were a real buggar to work on. (Don't know about the D model though, as its rather new.

I'm told the "D" sucked too.

FLYBOYJ · 11-02-2005, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Soren

Indeed, it'll be the first time in over 60 years that no Grumman a/c are serving on US carriers.

You still got Hawkeyes and C-2 Greyhounds...

Soren · 11-02-2005, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

I'm told the "D" sucked too.

Well, compared to the -18 thats probably right as its a rather complex a/c to maintain. (Abit of a Hangar Queen I've been told)

Soren · 11-02-2005, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

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Originally Posted by Soren

Indeed, it'll be the first time in over 60 years that no Grumman a/c are serving on US carriers.

You still got Hawkeyes and C-2 Greyhounds...

Yes of-cause, sorry my mistake, I meant fighter a/c.

Soren · 11-02-2005, 08:03 PM

A few pictures of this remarkable fighter..

FLYBOYJ · 11-02-2005, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Soren

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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

I'm told the "D" sucked too.

Well, compared to the -18 thats probably right as its a rather complex a/c to maintain. (Abit of a Hangar Queen I've been told)

The newbes out of Navy "A" school would get all excited being assigned to the -14, after their first hitch they're ready to get a shore assignment or just get away from aircraft maintenance...

Nice Photos!

SM79Sparviero · 11-03-2005, 02:21 AM

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hope the USN has some type of replacement missle for the Phoenix. The bomber threat isnt there anymore, but the cruise missles are.

The bomber threat will exist as long as aircrafts like Su-24 or Su-35 or the last Backfires will be on sale from ex-URSS state .I think that Us-Navy could find an up-to-date substitute for Phoenix, but they don't want .
The engagement rules today impose to you to get as close as you can to your target to recognize it and avoid the danger of friendly fire or, worse, to shot down a civilian aircraft.

The "stealth" philosophy follows this purpose, on the opposite direction respect to long range missiles: your target can't see you and you could ( in theory) approach it for a correct identification before firing.

11-01-2005, 11:46 PM	#1
Soren Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,111	The last days of a Champion. Its Goodbye to one of the world's greatest aircraft, the F-14 Tomcat. The F-14 Tomcat's last deployment ends this fall and they will be withdrawn from service, its going to be a sad day. The F-14's replacement is going to be the F-18 Super Hornet, which I think is going to have a hard time living up to the F-14D to be honest. What are your thoughts on this ? Do you think the Super Hornet will live up to the task, or should they have kept the Tomcat instead ? PS: No, your not crazy if you keep hearing the Top Gun anthem over and over again in your head. __________________ It was like being pushed by an Angel! - Adolf Galland I'm an educated engineer, so I love being technical and appraising of great inventions. So if you think I am being biased about something: Tell me! Then you'll probably find out that I am not

11-02-2005, 12:55 AM	#2
FLYBOYJ IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 16,050	As a former USNR Maintainer (I worked P-3s and C-130s) I knew guys who worked on both - many love the -18 becuase it is "maintainer friendly," many have told me the -14 is a real btch and was getting worse as she got older. Even with the Mods and the "BombCat," many guys disliked being around her and her FMC rate was getting worse and worse. Either way she will be missed by both pilots and crews... __________________ "IF ITS RED OR DUSTY, DON'T TOUCH IT"*

11-02-2005, 03:44 AM	#3
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	indeed she is one of the greats, it will be odd no longer being able to see american carriers with F-14s sitting on deck......... __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

11-02-2005, 09:03 AM	#5
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 17,500	I think the Navy is going to have problems with just the Super Hornet as a CAP fighter... Last time I checked the F-14's were still carrying the AIM-54 Phoenix missle, one which the F-18 is incapable of utilizing... Anyone have any idea how those Tomcat pilots did at the last Red Flag excercise in comparison to the F-18 Squadrons??? __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk

11-02-2005, 10:08 AM	#6
syscom3 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 10,279	The Tomcat was a cold war fighter, whose time has passed on. Its primary opponents would have been big bombers launching cruise missles from long distances. I dont see that happening anymore. I do hope the USN has some type of replacement missle for the Phoenix. The bomber threat isnt there anymore, but the cruise missles are. __________________ "Pilot to copilot..... what are those mountain goats doing up here in the clouds?"

11-02-2005, 04:21 PM	#7
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	Sad times, awesome plane...

11-02-2005, 08:03 PM	#13
Soren Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,111	A few pictures of this remarkable fighter.. __________________ It was like being pushed by an Angel! - Adolf Galland I'm an educated engineer, so I love being technical and appraising of great inventions. So if you think I am being biased about something: Tell me! Then you'll probably find out that I am not

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