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01-16-2007, 11:32 PM
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#31 | | Senior Member
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Country:  | But even still, they would have had pressures on metal to make that many? I doubt there would have been that many locomotives in Europe at the time as what only the P-47s are claiming. Unless this is including that a lot of the attacks didn't result in straight-out destruction of the locomotives but ability to be repaired and then they got attacked again later... | 
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01-17-2007, 11:18 AM
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#32 | | Master of Ewes
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Country:  | whilst i can't comment on the numbers as such, don't underestimate the rail networks of Germany and France in particular, both, but especially the Germans, relied on their rail networks for transportation of everything, it's how they mobilised all troops and bought together sub-assemblies, considder the size of these countries and it's really not that unbelievable.......
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01-17-2007, 11:21 AM
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#33 | | the old Sage
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Country:  | think first of all the rail connections in the Ruhr Gebeit.......many ! the absorption of the French, Italien and Soviet rail way systems and using their own means of locomotion to transport.
yes many opportunities to "pop" locos till wars end
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01-18-2007, 02:01 AM
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| I may be wrong here, but werent the Soviet and German track scales different? I seem to remember reading somplace that the USSR track width was smaller?
This if indeed true? would take captured Russian Loco's out of the mix.
I may be all washed up on this though, and have it all confused with USA and Eroupe track width?
What do you members into the railroad know 
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01-18-2007, 11:58 AM
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#35 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by HealzDevo  But even still, they would have had pressures on metal to make that many? I doubt there would have been that many locomotives in Europe at the time as what only the P-47s are claiming. Unless this is including that a lot of the attacks didn't result in straight-out destruction of the locomotives but ability to be repaired and then they got attacked again later... | Are you sure on that? Germany has allways relied on rail. And still does to this day.
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01-18-2007, 12:13 PM
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| I think a special ground attack version of the Thunderbolt with six 20mm's would have been utterly devastating. | |
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01-20-2007, 03:15 AM
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#37 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | for some reason the yanks never liked the 20mm but i think the P-47's volume of fire was fine with the 8 guns..........
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01-21-2007, 08:56 PM
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Country: | Okay, I had just thought the figures sounded a tad high, that's all... | |
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01-23-2007, 03:20 PM
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| Yea, me too, seems like four to eight P-47 pilots took turns Strafeing the same Loco, and all submitted a claim for the Loco?
This to me seems more likely.
Kevin
So? do any members have further info on Udo Cordes Loco hunting missions?
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01-23-2007, 09:11 PM
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Country: | Are there any German records surviving that can be used to assess claims in a particular region of Europe as to Locomotive destruction? There would have had to have been records as the Germans strike me as the type of people that keep records of what records they took, so did any of these records survive? | |
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04-04-2007, 08:12 AM
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Dear all, I would like to let you know I started a blog on strafing missions in then Czechoslovakia - please see at Hloubkari. Unfortunately, this is in Czech only now but I am going to write down at least a summary of some posts. Regards, Filip | |
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04-04-2007, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by HealzDevo Are there any German records surviving that can be used to assess claims in a particular region of Europe as to Locomotive destruction? There would have had to have been records as the Germans strike me as the type of people that keep records of what records they took, so did any of these records survive? | Yes, there are many records on such raids in local archives containing details such ID of locos, RR cars, names of people who were killed or wounded etc. Regards, Filip | |
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04-04-2007, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass for some reason the yanks never liked the 20mm but i think the P-47's volume of fire was fine with the 8 guns.......... | Not only the Yanks but also the Germans which were common cannon users. Even though those massive trains might suggest you need cannons for the job, they are still unarmoured. As such MG fire was sufficient. At least this becomes clear when you look at the main German trainbuster, the Ju 88C.
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04-10-2007, 10:17 PM
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Country: | Ok, just thought it would be interesting that is all to assess the reliability of claims in those areas for which there were records to assess reliability. | |
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04-11-2007, 12:04 AM
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Country: | May 25, 1943: Lt. Udo Cordes of 9.(Eins.)/KG 3 was awarded the Ritterkreuz after 150 combat missions and forty-one locomotive kills, nineteen trains of which were two tank wagons and three carrying ammunition. Until the award he had also destroyed eleven tanks, two flak emplacements and achieved two aerial victories. Lt. Cordes was one of the most successful bomber pilots known as "Der Lok-Toeter".
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