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Old 10-27-2009, 04:51 PM   #1
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Me-109 found in Norway

Her er det tyske jagerflyet - NRK Trøndelag - NRK Nyheter

( The plane MesserSchmitt Bf 109 and was found north of Vikna in Nord-Trøndelag.Fighter aircraft crashed in February 1943. Together with two other aircrfat,it was on the way north on reconnaissance when it had engine trouble over Rørvik. It plunged into the water but the pilot managed to straighten it up before it took the water's surface. He came out and was rescued by a woman who lived on an island nearby, says Mikalsen. Fighter is well preserved, despite over 60 years in the sea.
We have seen wrecks but not something that has been so complete before. And we were over excited, "says Hilfred Mikalsen.
Extensive exploration
There have been looking for the plane in many years, even Mikalsen've been with since 1983. We have both the dive and anchor, and it has been easy in a large area. There have been various stories to go after. But when we got mini submarine, it was much easier, it has sonar, "he said. But even with modern equipment, it took six or seven hours before the wreck, suddenly appeared.
Valuable discoveries
Birger Larsen is the conservators at the Norwegian Aviation Museum in Bodø, and says the discovery is valuable for the museum. They are in fact already underway to restore an aircraft of the same type.
From the video images it looks as if there are parts we can use, but you can not be sure till its raised, "said Larsen to NRK. He says it is the state that owns the German Fighter from the war, and that it is the Armed Forces Museum, which is responsible. They have given notice that they do not have interests in aircraft that are now found. Birger Larsen hope that the plane can be raised as soon as possible, but he does not know when it could happen.
To raise it is a big project. We would like to raise it as quickly as possible, but it depends on weather conditions, the supply of personnel and finance, "said Birger Larsen at the Norwegian Aviation Museum. Want to see it in Bodø!Hilfred Mikalsen hope that the fighters will be raised and that they can see parts of it on display at the museum in Bodø. )

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Very cool! Can't wait to find out some new information on this. I wonder if it is a Bf 109T since they were based out of Norway.

Edit: Actually based off of the video I believe this is a Bf 109T, based off the shape of the wings. She is largely intact, with much of the color visible. It is certainly restorable!
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Boy, Guttorm (JunkersJu88A1) has some work ahead of him now! After the Ju-88 an Me-109!
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Awesome story and video v2!

A warbird so rare needs to be saved. And the cold water probably kept the 109 in a pretty good state of preservation.

Very cool to see the markings on the wings and tail.

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Very cool info and video, many thanks V2
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Absolutely amazing! Great post V2!
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What a cool video, thank you v2!

I must admit I'm really puzzled realizing that plane is 'perfectly' nailed vertically into mud
I see that for the first time, and I can't imagine how this happened...
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Actually based off of the video I believe this is a Bf 109T, based off the shape of the wings. She is largely intact, with much of the color visible. It is certainly restorable!
I am pretty sure its a 109G, most likely a G-2. Check the shape of the canopy (internal armored glass, heavy welded frames), and especially the cannon cover between the pilots legs... the Emil did not have those. Telltale signs are the missing radiator flaps in the wingroot, and the squarish main wheel wells, streamlined compressor intake. Also it has Revi 12.

On the wings you could see the what remained of the wingtips, probably these rotted away in water, or fell off. (I am not sure but I think they were plywood - seems a reasonable choice given the complex shape of the wingtip.)
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Given how long it's been underwater, can it be rebuilt or is it pretty much finished?
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I am pretty sure its a 109G, most likely a G-2. Check the shape of the canopy (internal armored glass, heavy welded frames), and especially the cannon cover between the pilots legs... the Emil did not have those. Telltale signs are the missing radiator flaps in the wingroot, and the squarish main wheel wells, streamlined compressor intake. Also it has Revi 12.

On the wings you could see the what remained of the wingtips, probably these rotted away in water, or fell off. (I am not sure but I think they were plywood - seems a reasonable choice given the complex shape of the wingtip.)
You are correct, you can see where the rounded wing tips have eroded away. I guess I was just really hoping for another Bf 109T. I think there is only one left.
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A quick translation of the article:

Here is the german fighter plane

Local divers recently found a german fighter plane, which crashed during the war in outer Namdal.
The plane is a Messerschmitt Bf 109, and it was found north of Vikna in northern Trøndelag.
The wreck was spotted with a mini submarine, and the mood was great when hte wreck was discovered.

- it was crazy, there was complete silence for two seconds. Then all hell broke loose, says Hilfred Mikaelsen from the Folla Diver's Club, to NRK Trøndelag.

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The fighter crashed in february of 1943. It was on its way northward on a reconnoisance misison with two other fighters, when it encountered engine problems over Rørvik

- the plane dived, but the pilot managed to straighten up the plane before it hit the water surface. The pilot got out and was rescued by a woman who lived on an island nearby, Mikaelsen says.

The fighter is well preserved despite the many years in the lake.

- we've seen other aircraft wrecks, but none that has been as well preserved before. And we were overjoyed, Hilfred Mikaelsen tells.

Extensive search

The search for the plane has been going on for many years, and Mikaelsen himself joined the search in 1983.

- we've both been diving and pulled seine [sic], and the search has been covering a large area.
There's been different stories to work from. But when we got the mini sub, things has been much easier, is has got a sonar system, he says.

But even with modern equipment, it took 6-7 pours, before the vreck was spotted.

Valuable find


Birger Larsen is a conservationist at the Norwegian Aviation Museum in Bodø, he says that the discovery is very valuable for the museum.
The museum is already restoring an aircraft of the same type.

- judging from the video, it looks like there are parts that we can use, but we can't get a complete overview before the plane has been raised, Larsen tells NRK.

He says that it's the norwegian state who owns german plane wrecks from the war, and that it's the Museum of Defense, who are responsible.
They've said that they have no interest in the plane which has now been found.

Birger Larsen hopes that the plane can be raised as soon as possible, but he doesn't know when it might happen.

- to raise the aircraft is a huge project; we would love to raise it as soon as possible, but it all depends on the weather, and the acces to both personnel and finances, Birger Larsen from the Norwegian Aviation Museum says.

Wants to see the plane in Bodø

Hilfred Mikaelsen hopes that the fighter plane will get raised, and that they'll be able to see parts of it on display at the museum in Bodø.

- absolutely, that would be incredibly nice, we all agree on that.

- what will you be looking for next?

- oh, we've got so much, and now there's certainly going to be more search trips, says Hilfred Mikaelsen from the Folla Diver's Club.

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Thank you for the translation BB.
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