 | Moral objections on warfare.| Aviation Discuss Moral objections on warfare. in the World War II - Aviation forums; Oh, without a doubt. There were British, American, Canadian servicemen who committed wanton acts of outright murder. It happened.
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03-31-2005, 06:43 PM
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#151 | | He who does not skim
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Country:  | Oh, without a doubt. There were British, American, Canadian servicemen who committed wanton acts of outright murder. It happened.
I agree wholeheartedly that anyone found to be guilty of war crimes ought to be punished accordingly. Anyone. | 
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03-31-2005, 11:20 PM
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#152 | | | I tend to see some difference between acts committed in the field and those committed against the interned.
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04-01-2005, 12:50 AM
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#153 | | Senior Member
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Country:  | Yes Udet. If they commited a crime as repugnant , irrespective of nationality whats the point of fighting the war if you then allow your own side to degenerate to the level of these people.
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04-01-2005, 02:47 AM
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#154 | | Master of Ewes
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Country:  | but at the same time you have to see it from their pij t of view, they see these people killing their friends, this is gonna make them angry and in the heat of the moment it's understandable why they'd commit a war crime.............
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04-01-2005, 09:45 AM
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#155 | | "Shooter"
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Country:  | You can't claim the moral high ground if your troops are committing war crimes, regardless of the reason for it. I agree that it is a reason that some of these things happened, but it is not right, or excusable.
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04-01-2005, 10:00 AM
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#156 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | i never said it was, i said it would be "understandable"............
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04-01-2005, 10:19 AM
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#157 | | "Shooter"
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04-02-2005, 05:58 AM
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#158 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by trackend Yes Udet. If they commited a crime as repugnant , irrespective of nationality whats the point of fighting the war if you then allow your own side to degenerate to the level of these people. | This is how I see it also.
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04-02-2005, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by trackend Yes Udet. If they commited a crime as repugnant , irrespective of nationality whats the point of fighting the war if you then allow your own side to degenerate to the level of these people. | This is how I see it also. | I generally agree. The exception would be "on the spot" retribution. You capture a Concentration camp or Japanese POW camp for instance... your men end up shooting or hanging some or all of the officers and gaurds, even though they have surrendered.
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04-02-2005, 02:25 PM
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#160 | | Senior Member
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Country: | I agree RG perhaps if I had walked into Belsen or Dachau I dont think I could have had that amount of self discipline to accept their surrender, war crime or not and I think you would probably get away with it as indeed lots did.
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04-02-2005, 05:45 PM
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#161 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | And I will agree with you on that also. They deserved to die anyhow and wheather they died then or by a tribunal who gives a %*#@
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04-03-2005, 12:47 AM
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#162 | | | And of course this is why the "line" is so blurry. | |
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04-03-2005, 04:52 AM
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#163 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | I will agree that it is blurry however there is a difference between killing known criminals and just killing civilians and prisoners.
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04-03-2005, 05:14 AM
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#164 | | | Well, of course I agree. I certainly could see pulling the trigger on any German concentration camp gaurds. But then what about the SS troops stationed nearby? Or regular army barracks'd within a mile or two? Or townspeople within a mile or two even?
The point is, once there is any discretion, where is the line? Who says where the line is?
For myself, it's drawn at immeadiate pertrators caught red-handed. They get no mercy - they have no rights. Everyone else is entitled to some kind of "due process".
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04-03-2005, 09:37 AM
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#165 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | What about the townspeople a mile or 2 away. I dont care whether they are German, Polish, French, British, American or Russian. It is not even a question. There is a distinct line drawn there. You dont kill civilians. The line is very clear, if you can not see it then you are nothing more then a monster yourself.
I will agree with you though if cought red handed, they should be punished immediatly.
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