 | Mosquito versus the German fighters| Aviation Discuss Mosquito versus the German fighters in the World War II - Aviation forums; Originally Posted by Kurfürst
It didn't.
The B-26 had something like a 0.5% loss rate (it ... |
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07-09-2007, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Kurfürst It didn't.
The B-26 had something like a 0.5% loss rate (it usually operated in daylight), the the avarage loss rate of LW's combat planes in 1944 on the eastern front was 0.7%.
In both cases it's considerably lower than the Mosquito daylight figures you gave (2.2%), even compared for the noctural operations (0.9%).
Thing is, neither the LW on the Eastern Front, neither the B-26, or the Mosquito got these loss rates because they had/were absolute super planes. The Eastern Front was huge, and B-26s and Mosquitos didn't draw as much attention from the LW as Lancasters and B-17s.
There was no 'wooden wonder', except in the propaganda ministry's leaflets. | I think I need to jog your memory again, posted earlier in the thread.
'Thanks I did. I notice the bit where it states that the West was a far more dangerous place to operate than the East. We are of course talking about the West, over Germany, the most heavily defended area in the world, by day and night, hundreds of miles behind German Lines. Not I suggest the same as the East where there were almost no German long range missions of any kind against a weaker opposition'
Unless you are saying that short range missions over the Eastern Front where Germany often had local air superiority, is as dangerous as Flying over Berlin and other parts of Germany hundreds of miles behind the German lines.
As for Wooden Wonder, would you settle for Unique as per Wolfgang Falck: "That aeroplane was too fast, flew much too high and was far too difficult to catch with radar. It was a superb aircraft. When the Mosquitoes arrived, all we could do was shake our heads. The Mosquito was unique." |
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07-09-2007, 06:26 PM
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| PS as for the B26 which was a very good medium bomber, how many flew over Berlin and what was their bombload at such a range? |
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07-09-2007, 07:44 PM
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| Erich,
No worries, you take all the time you need, you can write a more thurough response when your feeling better again.
I wish you a quick recovery.
Btw, you say the Ju-388 didn't go operational as a night-fighter, but I understand from reading about it that a few were certainly ready and even went on trial with the LW: 
__________________ We have built a total of about 1250 of this aircraft (Me-262), but only fifty were allowed to be used as fighters - as interceptors. And out of this fifty, there were never more than 25 operational. So we had only a very, very few.
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07-10-2007, 03:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Glider I think I need to jog your memory again, posted earlier in the thread. | I think you just need to put up with the facts, my friend, and I really have no time nor inclination to enter into a for fanboi discussion..  |
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07-10-2007, 04:52 AM
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| I do put up with the facts and they were your facts, what differs is the interpretation.
Your version depends on you believing that short range missions over the Eastern Front where Germany often had local air superiority, is as dangerous as Flying over Berlin and other parts of Germany hundreds of miles behind the German lines.
Your version also depends on you forgetting the part about the West being far more dangerous than the east, that was after all mentioned in your quote.
I rest my case |
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07-10-2007, 11:06 AM
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#81 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by Soren
Btw, you say the Ju-388 didn't go operational as a night-fighter, but I understand from reading about it that a few were certainly ready and even went on trial with the LW: | I think he is referring to Operational status. Trials, testing and so forth are not classified as operational.
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07-11-2007, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet I think he is referring to Operational status. Trials, testing and so forth are not classified as operational. | Yes I know, I just pointed that it was ready and it did see some service with the LW. But no it didn't go fully operational.
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07-11-2007, 11:27 AM
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#83 | | the old Sage
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Country: | it was not ready for operations as there were too many problems with the engines and pointed wings. non success in the armament trials and there were plenty of experiments with heavy 3cm Mk 103 cannons and heavier yet. the a/c was out of balance and would not serve a useful purpose for a long pointed wing high altitude twin engine a/c. It was being beaten out by the ever short range Me 262A to engage the Mosquito, the Ju 88G-6 was suitable enough and had proven itself from November 44 onward |
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07-11-2007, 11:44 AM
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#84 | | Der Crewchief
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__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" |
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07-11-2007, 11:46 AM
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#85 | | the old Sage
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Country: | exactly the a/c had continual wing spar failures, it was suppose to have cabin heating which did not work also |
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07-11-2007, 01:23 PM
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| I think continual spar failures would worry me more than a little. |
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