 | Was the Mosquito the worlds first stealth aircraft?| Aviation Discuss Was the Mosquito the worlds first stealth aircraft? in the World War II - Aviation forums; It wasn't meant as a stealth fighter Pbfoot, however the shape of the Go-229 would've made its ... |
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02-10-2008, 11:07 AM
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| It wasn't meant as a stealth fighter Pbfoot, however the shape of the Go-229 would've made its signature on the radars of WW2 the same size as that of a large bird.
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02-10-2008, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Soren  It wasn't meant as a stealth fighter Pbfoot, however the shape of the Go-229 would've made its signature on the radars of WW2 the same size as that of a large bird. | Maybe - the only way to determine that was to actually track the aircraft or test it on a "radar range." No doubt it would of had a very low signature - any flaws on the aircraft's surface would of induced a condition called "radar creep," where radar signals would run up and down any gaps or mismatches on the surface of the aircraft. Let's face it, although Germany produced extremely advanced aircraft toward the end of the war surface aesthetics and "gap and mismatch" took a back set to getting the aircraft operational, especially if said aircraft were built by slave labor.
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02-10-2008, 12:02 PM
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| I fully agree.
The versions of Go-229 built weren't so by slave labor though, and AFAIK only Bf-109 production to a small extend utilized slave labor within the aeroplane industry. Ammunition and some small arms production plants utilized the most slave labor late in the war.
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Originally Posted by Soren I fully agree.
The versions of Go-229 built weren't so by slave labor though, and AFAIK only Bf-109 production to a small extend utilized slave labor within the aeroplane industry. Ammunition and some small arms production plants utilized the most slave labor late in the war. | Gotcha -
BTW a signature about the size of a small bird = F-117A. A larger bird = SR71 (with some ECMs working). A very big bird = B1B (with all ECMs working).
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| I admit I would be interested to know how the Ho-229 was so stealthy. I am not saying it wasn't but would appreciate some guidance/tips oh how it was achieved.
I can see the shape would help as would the lack of a prop so I can see that it would be less, but invisible, thats asking a lot. | |
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Soren says the Mosquito had a metal skin....I always understood it to have been of the plywood that flyboyJ says may have absorbed radar.
And that much of the strength that sent it modern again was down to the glues used to bond it.
Soren, are you sure?
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Originally Posted by Glider I admit I would be interested to know how the Ho-229 was so stealthy. I am not saying it wasn't but would appreciate some guidance/tips oh how it was achieved.
I can see the shape would help as would the lack of a prop so I can see that it would be less, but invisible, thats asking a lot. | It was a flying wing - just the configuration lends it self to have a low radar signature when radar is painting it from a frontal position. This was noticed on the B-49 as well. I also think the 229 was supposed to use a lot of wood in its primary structure, another stealth plus.
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| Seawitch,
Yes I was mistaken about the Mosquito, I can see now that the skin was a type of wood as-well. That's what happens when you rely purely on memory..
I'm thinking now though of how much I wouldn't have liked to have flown in a DH Mossie, I mean a single 20mm HEI projectile hits you and you're a burning torch! 
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| All I can think of now is that it was going *pufff!* if it got hit by any 20mm incendiary round.
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02-10-2008, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Soren All I can think of now is that it was going *pufff!* if it got hit by any 20mm incendiary round. | I recently seen a clip of one dropping a rolling bomb - it skipped up ant took off it tail - *pufff!* A lot of splinters!
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Originally Posted by Soren All I can think of now is that it was going *pufff!* if it got hit by any 20mm incendiary round. | ...I think sounds like a Mustang then?
Carrying tons of fuel for Berlin and back missions made it a flying Sherman?
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Country:  | Birds show up on radars so do trees and both are non conductive so what gives the wood in the mossie special properties . It all depends on the aspect of the aircraft to the radar . Yes the Mossie will naturally have a smaller signature then the slab sided bombers. It will also depend on which band radar one is using and most of all power of the radar
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Originally Posted by Seawitch ...I think sounds like a Mustang then?
Carrying tons of fuel for Berlin and back missions made it a flying Sherman? | Not necessarily - Protected fuel tanks, etc. - ever see what a bullet does to plywood?
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