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10-21-2005, 06:09 PM
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#46 | | World Traveler
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10-22-2005, 12:09 AM
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#47 | | the old Sage
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thought I would throw a couple everyones way. just pulled this up.
Hauptmann Kamstieß of II./NJG 2 flying a Ju 88G-6 on the night of December 27, 1944 shot down 1 Mossie XXX over Holsbeek, Belgium, Mossie coded MM 709 of 219th squadron, flown by D.L. Ryalls and J.B. Hampson.
Unteroffizier Scherer on the night of January 13, 1945 at 00.28 hrs shot down 1 Mosquito South-east of Cuxhaven as his 3rd victory flying with II./NJG 4.
Ofw. Rudi Mangelsdorf flying a Ju 88G-6 in 12./NJG 3 shot down a Halifax at 22.05 hrs and then at 22.11 hrs a Mosquito VI coded YP-C north of Hannover over Beckedorf on January 16, 1945. | |
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10-22-2005, 12:24 AM
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#48 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | erich, are there any good books regarding the Ju-88G's???
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10-22-2005, 12:28 AM
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#49 | | the old Sage
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I do wish. A JaPo book is suppose to come out on the Ju 88G last year with plenty of photos but it never materialized, so am not sure if anyone is going to except yours truly | |
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10-22-2005, 12:30 AM
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#50 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | Well... Hurry the **** up u slow bastard.... We're all waiting...
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10-22-2005, 12:32 AM
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#51 | | the old Sage
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Country: | Hells bells taco shells ! hey man it's only been 15 years so far .........  like the Germans say the weather is like an Alt Frau sommer and I have plenty of time. Not really | |
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10-22-2005, 07:49 AM
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the Kennblatt for the Ju-88 A4 states that max speed is 470 kph at 5.3 km.
The A4 was a revision of the Ju-88 A1, with uprated Jumo 211F or 211J engines producing 1,400ps (1,380 hp) and the longer span wings of the Ju-88 A5. The 211B/G fitted to the Ju-88 A1 produced 1,200 ps (1,185 hp).
Most sources commonly quote the Ju-88 A1s top speed as between 445 and 460 kph, with the average figure being 450 kph.
Are you suggesting that the Ju-88 A1, which was lighter but with less powerful engines, was some 10 kph faster than the bomber that replaced it?
To further my argument look at the performance of the Ju-86Ca/b, a dedicated heavy day/night fighter variant. It has better aerodynamics, only 400 kg more weight, fewer crew and higher power egines than the A1. Top speed was 500 kph at 6000m for the day fighter and 485 kph at the same height for the night fighter version, the difference being the weight of the FuG 202/212 intercept radar and the associated antenna. | |
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10-22-2005, 03:42 PM
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#53 | | the old Sage
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Country: | am curious are you tying to compare stats with Junkers 88 bombers with Ju 88G-6 Nachtjäger ..... ?
on the dge, surrendered D5+KV in Denmark. V and X staffels were lined up one behind the other in rows, the X group had black spinners and the V had the white tips. It has been said of the Ost front gruppen that carried spiralschnauze from time to time; that it would throw off the Soviet AA gunners during day ground attack missions. seems rather pointless as a Staffel ID marking at night but rather a collection point for the staffeln aircraft. Photo curtousy of the Royal Dutch Airforce archiv  | |
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10-22-2005, 06:07 PM
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#54 | | the old Sage
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Country: | this is a well known image but very Kühl nonetheless....surrender of a mixture of NJG 3 forces, Ju 88G-6's, Bf 110G-4's and an array of Ju 88 bombers. Note the differences in camo and there is quite a bit. The standard RLM 75 greys with RLM 76 white-blue-grey, and also eveident is the RLM 76 Grey-blue with the Welle or meander pattern of squiggles of green-violet for use as ground camo. Note the reversal of the Ju 88 Bomber camo dark with the light grey squig's over the fuselage for travel over the ocean
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10-22-2005, 06:11 PM
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#55 | | the old Sage
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Country: | also of note is the rudder and flaps locks inplace. photo courtesy again of the RDAF. Check out the bomber wing in the foreground and the all blue-grey tail of the Ju 88G-6 | |
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10-22-2005, 06:12 PM
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#56 | | World Traveler
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Country: | Nice pic Erich. Interesting to see the differences in camo. What happened to them all after they where surrendered, where they flight tested and then scrapped or what happened?
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10-22-2005, 06:31 PM
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#57 | | the old Sage
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Country: | several examples were flown back to England, with different radar sets. then torn apart or flown till wrecked or destroyed by weather. for NJG 3's Junkers most were lined up opposite of the Bf 110G-4's still left in the nacht wing and then blown up. Here is a nice colour example of that Welle pattern I was talking of off a Ju 88G-6. would love to have this example in my office   | |
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10-22-2005, 06:37 PM
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Country: | Looks like grafiti! Still cool though, would be great to have on your wall.
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10-22-2005, 06:43 PM
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#59 | | the old Sage
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Country: | yes it would Gnomey ! 
her is anaother G-6 unit under new management but you can see clearly the heavy ~ Welle ~ pattern  | |
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10-22-2005, 06:46 PM
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#60 | | World Traveler
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Country: | Nice pics Erich. Do you have any of a good size in colour? Would make a great backround!
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