it was not smart - Aircraft of World War II

fly boy · 03-07-2008, 12:11 PM

now from what i know the 262 was desined as a fighter but Hitler thought that stoping allied bombers with a jet was for losers and told them to put bombs on it. i honistly think that was a bad idea.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 03-07-2008, 12:25 PM

So did Hitler actually say that attacking bombers with a jet was for "Losers"?

fly boy · 03-07-2008, 12:26 PM

well more of defeatists or something like that

wilbur1 · 03-07-2008, 12:33 PM

Get in fast shoot leave fast

Thorlifter · 03-07-2008, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fly boy

i honistly think that was a bad idea.

Me too.

fly boy · 03-07-2008, 12:41 PM

yea all the 262 would have to do is fly about 1000ft above the bombers dive shoot all their rockets and fly back to base hopefull that the escort didn't follow them to base and that it it so easy

wilbur1 · 03-07-2008, 12:43 PM

Well they could do that but i think they might stop at winchells first for a donut and coffee

Konigstiger205 · 03-07-2008, 02:09 PM

Well its not something new that Hitler was probably the allies best general

SoD Stitch · 03-07-2008, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

So did Hitler actually say that attacking bombers with a jet was for "Losers"?

ROFL!

Velius · 03-07-2008, 02:28 PM

Also, I think hitler liked the idea of a fast bomber to give it a role suitable for the Blitzkreig tactics that served him well in the earlier stages of the war. Rather than expanding on these newer revolutionary aircraft, he insisted that all existing aircraft models be improved and altred in several ways to get an "ideal variant" due of their successful operational history at the break of the war.

As far as the 262 goes, there was a variant with a 50mm cannon in the nose. I wonder how effective it would've been against those bombers?
Variants: Me 262A-1a/U4

Thorlifter · 03-07-2008, 02:45 PM

If memory serves (which it probably doesn't

) the 50mm cannon was shown to be so prone to jamming that it was basically worthless. Plus the strain it put on the airframe was incredible. Or am I thinking of another big cannon they mounted to an airframe.

Heck, I can't remember. Someone help!!!!!!

Njaco · 03-07-2008, 02:50 PM

That was later before all the fun stuff. Actually it was the engines that gave the program problems and lengthened the time it got to service.

Hitler just added icing to the cake with his obsession with dive bombers and saw a potential to keep the Allies off the beaches when the attack came by using the 262 as a bomber. He actually ordered that every few 262s produced would be a fighter. But the engines, the engines......

Thorlifter · 03-07-2008, 02:58 PM

I do remember that the actual combat life of the Jumo engines was only 12 hours!!!! Incredible.

Njaco · 03-07-2008, 02:59 PM

I think 10 - 12. Still freaking limited!

SoD Stitch · 03-07-2008, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Njaco

I think 10 - 12. Still freaking limited!

Yeah, with an MTBF of around 25 hours.

03-07-2008, 12:11 PM	#1
fly boy Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 853	it was not smart now from what i know the 262 was desined as a fighter but Hitler thought that stoping allied bombers with a jet was for losers and told them to put bombs on it. i honistly think that was a bad idea.

03-07-2008, 12:25 PM	#2
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	So did Hitler actually say that attacking bombers with a jet was for "Losers"? __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

03-07-2008, 12:33 PM	#4
wilbur1 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Escondido,Ca Posts: 2,206	Get in fast shoot leave fast __________________ Dont shoot him...... It will just make him angry.

03-07-2008, 12:43 PM	#7
wilbur1 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Escondido,Ca Posts: 2,206	Well they could do that but i think they might stop at winchells first for a donut and coffee __________________ Dont shoot him...... It will just make him angry.

03-07-2008, 02:09 PM	#8
Konigstiger205 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bucharest Posts: 907	Well its not something new that Hitler was probably the allies best general __________________ These airplanes we have today are no more than a perfection of a child's toy made of paper."Henri Coanda"

03-07-2008, 12:26 PM	#3
fly boy Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 853	well more of defeatists or something like that

03-07-2008, 12:41 PM	#6
fly boy Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 853	yea all the 262 would have to do is fly about 1000ft above the bombers dive shoot all their rockets and fly back to base hopefull that the escort didn't follow them to base and that it it so easy

03-07-2008, 02:28 PM	#10
Velius Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Central Texas Posts: 250	Also, I think hitler liked the idea of a fast bomber to give it a role suitable for the Blitzkreig tactics that served him well in the earlier stages of the war. Rather than expanding on these newer revolutionary aircraft, he insisted that all existing aircraft models be improved and altred in several ways to get an "ideal variant" due of their successful operational history at the break of the war. As far as the 262 goes, there was a variant with a 50mm cannon in the nose. I wonder how effective it would've been against those bombers? Variants: Me 262A-1a/U4

03-07-2008, 02:45 PM	#11
Thorlifter Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Dallas, Tx Posts: 4,345	If memory serves (which it probably doesn't ) the 50mm cannon was shown to be so prone to jamming that it was basically worthless. Plus the strain it put on the airframe was incredible. Or am I thinking of another big cannon they mounted to an airframe. Heck, I can't remember. Someone help!!!!!! __________________

03-07-2008, 02:50 PM	#12
Njaco The Pop-Tart Whisperer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: South Jersey, United States Posts: 10,236	That was later before all the fun stuff. Actually it was the engines that gave the program problems and lengthened the time it got to service. Hitler just added icing to the cake with his obsession with dive bombers and saw a potential to keep the Allies off the beaches when the attack came by using the 262 as a bomber. He actually ordered that every few 262s produced would be a fighter. But the engines, the engines...... __________________ "If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it's English, thank a soldier!" http://www.njcacoa.org/

03-07-2008, 02:58 PM	#13
Thorlifter Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Dallas, Tx Posts: 4,345	I do remember that the actual combat life of the Jumo engines was only 12 hours!!!! Incredible. __________________

03-07-2008, 02:59 PM	#14
Njaco The Pop-Tart Whisperer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: South Jersey, United States Posts: 10,236	I think 10 - 12. Still freaking limited! __________________ "If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it's English, thank a soldier!" http://www.njcacoa.org/

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