P-38 war story - Aircraft of World War II

davec8656 · 02-11-2009, 06:05 PM

I have read "Fork-Tailed Devil", by Martin Caiden and am curious if anyone knows about the story he wrote later in the book. A lone P-38 returns to base and basically "falls apart" as it gets over the field. The pilot is found to have been killed long before the plane returned and the gas tanks were also found to be empty. He also wrote of "many witnesses" who could verify the story. I'm not so much doubting the account as much as I would like to hear from someone else who knows of it. Thanks, DaveC.

FLYBOYJ · 02-11-2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by davec8656

I have read "Fork-Tailed Devil", by Martin Caiden and am curious if anyone knows about the story he wrote later in the book. A lone P-38 returns to base and basically "falls apart" as it gets over the field. The pilot is found to have been killed long before the plane returned and the gas tanks were also found to be empty. He also wrote of "many witnesses" who could verify the story. I'm not so much doubting the account as much as I would like to hear from someone else who knows of it. Thanks, DaveC.

Caiden was a great writer but did stretch the truth a bit and he had a few "doozies" in that book, which even it's title is a myth, probably made up by him....

davec8656 · 02-12-2009, 05:19 PM

I suppose that goes a long way in publishing a book if you can fix a catchy title regardless of its accuracy. I've also read that the Japanese called it "Whistling Death". Also a myth? Just curious. Always admired the P38. Caiden's book did help me learn much about the P38 that I may not have otherwise, though some was dry reading going through the different models and mods. The battle accounts have always been exciting to me. American Aces by Sims is one of my personal favorites. Dad gave me a copy when I was a kid and later on I was able to find a good used copy from an online bookstore. Fascinating stories! Thanks for the reply. DaveC

FLYBOYJ · 02-12-2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by davec8656

I suppose that goes a long way in publishing a book if you can fix a catchy title regardless of its accuracy. I've also read that the Japanese called it "Whistling Death". Also a myth? Just curious. Always admired the P38. Caiden's book did help me learn much about the P38 that I may not have otherwise, though some was dry reading going through the different models and mods. The battle accounts have always been exciting to me. American Aces by Sims is one of my personal favorites. Dad gave me a copy when I was a kid and later on I was able to find a good used copy from an online bookstore. Fascinating stories! Thanks for the reply. DaveC

I think the "Whistling Death" was more connected with the Corsair.

Caiden was very entertaining and did inspire many to learn about WW2 despite his shortcomings. In his book the Fork Tailed Devil, his chapter about a famed P-38 driver named Danny Roberts was spot on IMO.

davec8656 · 02-12-2009, 05:27 PM

yeah, now that I think on it, that's right. It was the Corsair. Thanks, so much to remember, so little brain space. LOL

merlin · 02-12-2009, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

I think the "Whistling Death" was more connected with the Corsair.

Really?

More like the Bristol Beaufighter!!

tomo pauk · 02-12-2009, 06:37 PM

Nope, Beaoufighter was the "whispering death" (another myth?).

FLYBOYJ · 02-12-2009, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by merlin

Really?

More like the Bristol Beaufighter!!

I thought the Beau was the "Whispering Death."

Sweb · 02-12-2009, 08:26 PM

Whispering Death? Corsair as dubbed by the Japanese due to the sound of the air passing through the oil cooler air dump doors. Or, am I preaching to the choir?

FLYBOYJ · 02-12-2009, 10:09 PM

"The Chance-Vought F4U-1D Corsair, one of World War II's most effective dive-bomber and attack naval planes, had a distinctive bent-wing configuration. The whistling sound generated by its wing air-intakes earned it the nickname 'Whistling Death"

Corsair: dictionary on Aviations, Corsair, F4U Corsair,Whistling Death, Corsair, Chance-Vought F4U, U.S navy, Corsair had The Hose Nose, U-Bird, Royal Navy, The Chance Vought F4U Corsair was an American fighter aircraft that saw service in World War

"Known as the "Whispering Death" by the Japanese in the far east during WWII, the Bristol Beaufighter was instrumental in driving the Japanese from South East Asia and in the defeat of the Luftwaffe's night bombing offensive against Britain."

Bristol Beaufighter

All the cyber sources I've come across say the same.

evangilder · 02-12-2009, 11:09 PM

The Whispering Death was named because it was a quieter airplane due to it's sleeve valve engine.

FLYBOYJ · 02-12-2009, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by evangilder

The Whispering Death was named because it was a quieter airplane due to it's sleeve valve engine.

Yep!

merlin · 02-13-2009, 06:48 AM

If I am wrong - I like to think I am man enough to admit it!

So yes, sorry, I did misread 'whistling' for 'whispering' oops.

Still - the 'Beau' got a mention!

fly boy · 02-13-2009, 12:44 PM

odd

davec8656 · 02-13-2009, 12:47 PM

Back to the war story of the mysterious P38 incident. In the last chapter, Epilogue, the full story is recounted. Took place in North Africa. A group took off to patrol and after the melee with the enemy, one plane was missing. All landed but one. After enough time was allowed for the plane's fuel to expire it was considered MIA. Then, a lone plane was spotted coming in at a shallow angle towards the field and as it came over the field it literally fell apart onto the field. The pilot was seen to fall clear of the plane and his chute opened and he collapsed when he landed. He was found with a bullet wound in the forehead and had been dead "for hours". Further, the plane's fuel tanks were long empty and dry. Hundreds of witnesses were said to have seen this and would all sign papers stating the same. Seems like Divine intervention to me, as miracles still occur, and I am a believer. It's too bad that no one is known to be around that might still have at least heard of this incident. Love this mystery!!

02-11-2009, 06:05 PM	#1
davec8656 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Independence, MO Posts: 9	P-38 war story I have read "Fork-Tailed Devil", by Martin Caiden and am curious if anyone knows about the story he wrote later in the book. A lone P-38 returns to base and basically "falls apart" as it gets over the field. The pilot is found to have been killed long before the plane returned and the gas tanks were also found to be empty. He also wrote of "many witnesses" who could verify the story. I'm not so much doubting the account as much as I would like to hear from someone else who knows of it. Thanks, DaveC.

02-12-2009, 06:37 PM	#7
tomo pauk Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 588	Nope, Beaoufighter was the "whispering death" (another myth?). __________________

02-12-2009, 10:09 PM	#10
FLYBOYJ IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 16,050	"The Chance-Vought F4U-1D Corsair, one of World War II's most effective dive-bomber and attack naval planes, had a distinctive bent-wing configuration. The whistling sound generated by its wing air-intakes earned it the nickname 'Whistling Death" Corsair: dictionary on Aviations, Corsair, F4U Corsair,Whistling Death, Corsair, Chance-Vought F4U, U.S navy, Corsair had The Hose Nose, U-Bird, Royal Navy, The Chance Vought F4U Corsair was an American fighter aircraft that saw service in World War "Known as the "Whispering Death" by the Japanese in the far east during WWII, the Bristol Beaufighter was instrumental in driving the Japanese from South East Asia and in the defeat of the Luftwaffe's night bombing offensive against Britain." Bristol Beaufighter All the cyber sources I've come across say the same. __________________ "IF ITS RED OR DUSTY, DON'T TOUCH IT"

02-12-2009, 11:09 PM	#11
evangilder "Shooter" Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Moorpark, CA Posts: 14,807	The Whispering Death was named because it was a quieter airplane due to it's sleeve valve engine. __________________ http://www.vg-photo.com For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return. Leonardo Da Vinci

02-13-2009, 12:44 PM	#14
fly boy Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 853	odd __________________

02-12-2009, 05:19 PM	#3
davec8656 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Independence, MO Posts: 9	I suppose that goes a long way in publishing a book if you can fix a catchy title regardless of its accuracy. I've also read that the Japanese called it "Whistling Death". Also a myth? Just curious. Always admired the P38. Caiden's book did help me learn much about the P38 that I may not have otherwise, though some was dry reading going through the different models and mods. The battle accounts have always been exciting to me. American Aces by Sims is one of my personal favorites. Dad gave me a copy when I was a kid and later on I was able to find a good used copy from an online bookstore. Fascinating stories! Thanks for the reply. DaveC

02-12-2009, 05:27 PM	#5
davec8656 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Independence, MO Posts: 9	yeah, now that I think on it, that's right. It was the Corsair. Thanks, so much to remember, so little brain space. LOL

02-12-2009, 08:26 PM	#9
Sweb Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 277	Whispering Death? Corsair as dubbed by the Japanese due to the sound of the air passing through the oil cooler air dump doors. Or, am I preaching to the choir?

02-13-2009, 06:48 AM	#13
merlin Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Cardiff Posts: 263	If I am wrong - I like to think I am man enough to admit it! So yes, sorry, I did misread 'whistling' for 'whispering' oops. Still - the 'Beau' got a mention!

02-13-2009, 12:47 PM	#15
davec8656 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Independence, MO Posts: 9	Back to the war story of the mysterious P38 incident. In the last chapter, Epilogue, the full story is recounted. Took place in North Africa. A group took off to patrol and after the melee with the enemy, one plane was missing. All landed but one. After enough time was allowed for the plane's fuel to expire it was considered MIA. Then, a lone plane was spotted coming in at a shallow angle towards the field and as it came over the field it literally fell apart onto the field. The pilot was seen to fall clear of the plane and his chute opened and he collapsed when he landed. He was found with a bullet wound in the forehead and had been dead "for hours". Further, the plane's fuel tanks were long empty and dry. Hundreds of witnesses were said to have seen this and would all sign papers stating the same. Seems like Divine intervention to me, as miracles still occur, and I am a believer. It's too bad that no one is known to be around that might still have at least heard of this incident. Love this mystery!!

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