P-40 vs. Hurricane

the lancaster kicks ass · 10-01-2005, 04:55 AM

Soren, are you british?? it doesn't sound it, when was the last time we gave up hope?? in 1940 what did the luftwaffe have that could take out a capital ship?? the LW were no more prepared to take out ships than the RAF, we were both still using small bombs to try and penetrate the top armour, which wasn't gonna happen, you're right in saying that aircraft are the most effective weapons against ships, but only really when they're carrying torpedos, the RN would have loved the chance to bring their huge forces together for the sole purpose of destroying the ill prepared invasin force, the germans had no experience of amphibious landings and were coming over often in just civilian barges! they wouldn't have a chance, the germans caused problems releasing S-boats into the allied invasion force and they just had a couple of torp. tubes, imagine what battleships and cruisers would do, meanwhile the massed flak from all the ships the the german fear or hitting their own ships in the channel would make it very difficult for them to bomb, i realise there would be losses but they can be replaced as long as the island remains intact, if you think we'd have given up you know nothing about the British........

Gnomey · 10-01-2005, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass

Soren, are you british?? it doesn't sound it, when was the last time we gave up hope?? in 1940 what did the luftwaffe have that could take out a capital ship?? the LW were no more prepared to take out ships than the RAF, we were both still using small bombs to try and penetrate the top armour, which wasn't gonna happen, you're right in saying that aircraft are the most effective weapons against ships, but only really when they're carrying torpedos, the RN would have loved the chance to bring their huge forces together for the sole purpose of destroying the ill prepared invasin force, the germans had no experience of amphibious landings and were coming over often in just civilian barges! they wouldn't have a chance, the germans caused problems releasing S-boats into the allied invasion force and they just had a couple of torp. tubes, imagine what battleships and cruisers would do, meanwhile the massed flak from all the ships the the german fear or hitting their own ships in the channel would make it very difficult for them to bomb, i realise there would be losses but they can be replaced as long as the island remains intact, if you think we'd have given up you know nothing about the British........

Couldn't agree more Lanc, well said.

evangilder · 10-01-2005, 09:33 AM

Well said Lanc. Something most people don't know is that even during the blitz, London had a bustling night life. The Brits are a tough bunch with amazing fortitude. I know, I lived amongst them for three years.

Nonskimmer · 10-01-2005, 10:28 AM

Good points lancky.

FLYBOYJ · 10-01-2005, 02:45 PM

More information on the 325th. A little off from my earlier posting but still very impressive

Gnomey · 10-01-2005, 03:06 PM

Nice info FBJ.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 10-02-2005, 01:10 PM

Great Info FBJ and I pretty much agree with your whole argument Lanc! That is pretty wiered aint it?

Nonskimmer · 10-02-2005, 01:32 PM

Good little P-40 chart.

the lancaster kicks ass · 10-02-2005, 02:31 PM

well it's a delightful new sensation for me adler, i can't even beging to put across how exited i am right now!

Lunatic · 10-02-2005, 04:37 PM

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I give up. Whats the point in trying to get a thread back on topic when no one listens anyhow?

Sorry Adler, I'd not seen your posts yet.

Might I suggest moving the divergent posts to a new thread?

=S=

Lunatic

Soren · 10-02-2005, 04:39 PM

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I respectfully disagree. The Japanese people were willing to sustain tremendous losses in defense of the Emperor. The Japanese military commanders still believed that if they could inflict sufficiently high losses on the Allies the Allies would accept a negotiated surender and they were willing to endure many times that level of losses to achieve this.

Had the USA forgone the use of non-conventilonal weapons (the A-Bomb and nerve gas) Allied losses would have run to the mid 6 figure mark, perhaps even as high as a million. And Japanese losses would have been 10 fold as high. And the Soviets would have ended up in complete control of China and at least two and probably three of the Northern Japanese Islands (they hold one today), if not the entire contry. And the Soviet's would have had no respect for Japanese culteral identity or tradition.

Sure losses would've been high, but the USA wouldn't have signed any form of Peace treaty with the Japanees, no they would've only accepted a Japanees surrender.

And eventaully, against the might of the USA, the Japs would've surrendered.

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Having the A-Bomb dropped on Japan was the best thing that could have happened to them short of a miracle of enlightenment in the Japanese milititary leadership. It saved millions of Japanese lives and allowed them to retain the largest part of their cultural identity. Had they endured a an invasion, even without the Soviets being involved, their culture would have been almost completely lost.

I agree 100%.

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How? They'd have hung back until the critical moment when Hitler made his move and wiped out his invasion force.

Hung back ? Lunatic, the RN would be sunk before even having the chance to escape.

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Hitler didn't have the resources to build a Luftwaffe' large enought to stop that (especially at night).

Without any RAF, oh yes he had.

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Sea-Lion was a fantasy cooked up in a cocain/amphetamine/morphine daze. The German's had no capacity for such an operation and had they tried it the war would have ended much earlier.

Read this essay: http://www.flin.demon.co.uk/althist/seal1.htm

Convinced?

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Lunatic

Remember Lunatic, we're talking no'more RAF here.

And as your link suggests, the RAF would have had a huge part in defeating any invasion force.

Gnomey · 10-02-2005, 04:41 PM

Soren, Alder split the thread the discussion is continuing there not here.

Link: http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/vie...842&highlight=

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 10-02-2005, 04:42 PM

No prob. I already did, I split it into Sorens Really What If Thread. Though it was a great discussion it really did not belong here in this thread and though I believe that the Germans had military supiriority over the Allies at that point in the war there was no way that Sea Lion would have worked therefore I named it Sorens REally What If Thread.

Soren · 10-02-2005, 04:42 PM

I see.

Thank you Gnomey.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 10-02-2005, 04:44 PM

Now alright lets continue the discussion on the P-40 and the Hurricane shall we!

I dont know how to get it started again but I am sure some one will.