 | P-51's vs. Me-109's and Fw-190's| Aviation Discuss P-51's vs. Me-109's and Fw-190's in the World War II - Aviation forums; Kranz and I seem to have found a similar set of papers and different complimentary ones. Put it together and ... |
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07-10-2005, 04:55 AM
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#226 | | Senior Member
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| Kranz and I seem to have found a similar set of papers and different complimentary ones. Put it together and I don't think the K4 at 1.98 was a viable option if you wanted to make it back to the airfield. | 
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07-10-2005, 07:44 AM
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#227 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by Erich 9 out of 10 times the P-51's had the height advantage thus the overall 50 mph + weight advantage in speed. also enmasse as the Luftwaffe tried in vain to catch their foe which outnumbered them significantly...........this has all be coverd before and we are repeating ourselves. Speed, turning and other specs is getting to be old news and is totally dependendt on pilot skills not a bunch of charts and test run by non operational test pilots.
the P-51 was the best Allied escort in Europe in the late war and the Pilots thank God they had it at their disposal | I agree 100%
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07-10-2005, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by alejandro_ - The pilot had less work load due to the use. | And how is that, especially when you have 10 P-51's diving down on you.
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07-10-2005, 11:30 AM
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| Sorry, I forgot to add, the lesser workload was due to the use of a Kommandogėrat.
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07-10-2005, 03:22 PM
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#230 | | Der Crewchief
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07-10-2005, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet Quote: |
Originally Posted by Erich 9 out of 10 times the P-51's had the height advantage thus the overall 50 mph + weight advantage in speed. also enmasse as the Luftwaffe tried in vain to catch their foe which outnumbered them significantly...........this has all be coverd before and we are repeating ourselves. Speed, turning and other specs is getting to be old news and is totally dependendt on pilot skills not a bunch of charts and test run by non operational test pilots.
the P-51 was the best Allied escort in Europe in the late war and the Pilots thank God they had it at their disposal | I agree 100% | Close enough for me. | |
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07-10-2005, 04:00 PM
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Country: | I think it really does come down to what you using the aircraft for. Obviously a P-47 is a better ground attack aircraft than P-51. The Spit is a better intereceptor than the P-47. The P-51 is the better escort fighter. So and so forth. Each aircraft of each nationality had what it was really good at.
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07-10-2005, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet I think it really does come down to what you using the aircraft for. Obviously a P-47 is a better ground attack aircraft than P-51. The Spit is a better intereceptor than the P-47. The P-51 is the better escort fighter. So and so forth. Each aircraft of each nationality had what it was really good at. | Exactly! 
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07-10-2005, 04:18 PM
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07-10-2005, 04:21 PM
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Country: | I agree. My favorite allied planes are the P-38 and the P-47.
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07-10-2005, 04:23 PM
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07-10-2005, 05:15 PM
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| The P-38 could have been the plane very easily but production was never high enough. The AAF averaged 1,200 servicable P-38s World wide at any one time in '43 and 2,500 in '44/'45. It was only second sourced in Jan. '45!
The Fw-190 was very versatile too able to effectively fill many rolls.
The P-47 was good to, at least equal to the '51 interestingly in '44 it cost only $11,569 less than the P-38, $85,578 to $97,147.
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07-10-2005, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by wmaxt The P-38 could have been the plane very easily but production was never high enough. The AAF averaged 1,200 servicable P-38s World wide at any one time in '43 and 2,500 in '44/'45. It was only second sourced in Jan. '45! wmaxt | Who was the second source?
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