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04-08-2005, 11:34 AM
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#91 | | the old Sage
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04-08-2005, 01:05 PM
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#92 | | Master of Ewes
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Country:  | don't worry about people thinking you're a "hard nose" Erich, you're well respected on this forum and we need someone to get us back online or we'll never stop.........
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04-08-2005, 01:07 PM
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#93 | | He who does not skim
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04-08-2005, 01:13 PM
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#94 | | Master of Ewes
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04-09-2005, 06:56 PM
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#95 | | Senior Member
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| Yeah, thanks for your reply to my earlier post Erich, gloss black paint on a Nightfighter has gotta be the worse choice, might as well left it unpainted...
I really applaud the Luftwaffe's choices of night camoflage, they obviously went to a lot of trouble to research what was effective, even through to painting the tail fin on some Ju-88G's to appear as if they were the earlier 'A' series...
IMHO, the US would have made a better choice if they had used the F7F Tigercat as a Nightfighter. This to me was an aircraft that would've been a complimentary NF to the Mosquito in the ETO, they did indeed convert 66 to F7F-2N's between Oct. 1944 and Aug. 1945, but they were assigned to VMF[N]-533 formed at Eagle Mountain Lake, Texas. This unit reached Okinawa on 14th Aug. 1945, the day before the surrender !....
If only they had sent more over in 1943 than the one the RAF & RN tested at Farnborough back then, but the US seemed to dawdle alot with their new designs, and anything that needed extra developments usually got sent on to the Navy, then the Marines....valuable time was lost, considering the Tigercat's first flight trials occurred back in April 1940. One can only assume they didn't see it's terrific potential in Europe, ''if it's got wings n' wheels, it should go on a Carrier''...The P-61 was a better choice for the PTO, as it had great ground-attack and bombing potentials as well, but the F7F-2N should have gone to the ETO where it's contribution to lowering the Night Bombers attrition-rate would have been greatly appreciated........ | |
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04-10-2005, 03:42 AM
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#96 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | but the RAF would have been reuctant to use them whatever really, we had faith in the mossie and it wouldn't have been much help to us until 1944 at the earliest.........
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04-10-2005, 01:28 PM
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#97 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by Gemhorse Yeah, thanks for your reply to my earlier post Erich, gloss black paint on a Nightfighter has gotta be the worse choice, might as well left it unpainted...
I really applaud the Luftwaffe's choices of night camoflage, they obviously went to a lot of trouble to research what was effective, even through to painting the tail fin on some Ju-88G's to appear as if they were the earlier 'A' series... | Believe it or not what we have found today with our helicopters is that all black at night is a terrible choice of camoflage and would be terrible for a night fighter also. All black makes the aircraft look like a black hole in the sky and the more it moves the more easily it is able to be picked out especially with a cloudy sky or with a clear sky showing lots of stars. The best choice actually is a pattern of greys to make it blend in with the actuall sky.
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04-10-2005, 02:17 PM
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#98 | | Senior Member
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You'd blend right in
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04-10-2005, 02:50 PM
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#99 | | Konfused with a 'K'
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04-10-2005, 04:27 PM
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#100 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | it's a series of interlinked shooting stars, and a small fragment of one is hurtiling towards us, there, look, you can see the flame tailing behind it!!
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04-10-2005, 04:38 PM
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#101 | | Konfused with a 'K'
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04-10-2005, 04:39 PM
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#102 | | Master of Ewes
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04-10-2005, 06:18 PM
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#103 | | Senior Member
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04-11-2005, 03:27 PM
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#104 | | Der Crewchief
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04-12-2005, 06:21 AM
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#105 | | Senior Member
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| Yeah, but the Luftwaffe certainly had it right with those  y gray-tone camoflages on Nightfighters, and I certainly believe it had alot to do with their good kill-rate against Bomber Command, for all our gunners' vigilance....From my own Army experience, all black isn't necessarily the best thing, depending on varying night conditions and terrain, but 'gloss black' is definately out!!....
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