p-80 V Me 262

Civettone · 03-10-2007, 08:04 PM

Jackson, the Me 163 was intended to intercept reconaissance aircraft. And later to intercept the B-29.

Kris

syscom3 · 03-11-2007, 03:33 AM

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Wow... LesS actually performed a moderating task and did so without acting like a major ass-hole... it seems that you do have some common sense after all... not much, but I think you could be turned from a piss-poor moderator into a poor moderator...

I have a feeling this will be your last post.

FLYBOYJ · 03-11-2007, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by tangent156

Wow... LesS actually performed a moderating task and did so without acting like a major ass-hole... it seems that you do have some common sense after all... not much, but I think you could be turned from a piss-poor moderator into a poor moderator...

Again we could all bare witness to the diminishing gene pool, probably due to inbreeding and perhaps there are some coon and sheep DNA somewhere in the equation. Anyway this dipsh*t moron is no longer with us as it is apparent he doesn't have a life, a brain and probably suffers from male hormone inadequacies.

Good-bye dipsh*t, hope you have a great life as a toilet cake changer!

syscom3 · 03-11-2007, 04:16 AM

The mission of the -262 was too shoot down US bombers, thus the comparison between the P80 and the -262 should be up at altitudes above 20,000 ft.

Does anyone know if the endurance times for the P80 was on internal fuel, or was it with a pair of drop tanks?

Jackson · 03-11-2007, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Civettone

Jackson, the Me 163 was intended to intercept reconaissance aircraft. And later to intercept the B-29.

Kris

Yes, I checked , you are right..

But actual production funding and the first missions were another matter, given the later priorities.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 03-11-2007, 08:27 AM

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Does anyone know if the endurance times for the P80 was on internal fuel, or was it with a pair of drop tanks?

I have seen so many different figures that I am not sure what is correct and what is not.

A book that I have here at home says that the was as follows:

P-80

Internal: 825 mi
With drop tanks: 1200 mi

mad_max · 03-12-2007, 12:41 AM

My book says 780 miles at 410 mph at 35,000ft.
2 - droptanks of 625L...1,100 miles at 407 mph at 25,000 ft.

Aggie08 · 03-12-2007, 09:56 AM

What kind of upgrades do you think the -262 would have received if Germany had stayed in the war? The Jumo engines were already mentioned, perhaps changing out the 30mm's to 20's, etc? I have a feeling that given the time the bird would have evolved into a far more capable machine that no one could hope to match, not without reverse engineering or something like that. Certainly would give the shooting stars something to think about in 1946.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 03-12-2007, 10:27 AM

Having had time to fix the bugs as well and yes it would have evolved into a better machine, but I think the future lied in the Ta-183 and the P.1101.

syscom3 · 03-12-2007, 11:47 AM

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..I have a feeling that given the time the bird would have evolved into a far more capable machine that no one could hope to match, not without reverse engineering or something like that. Certainly would give the shooting stars something to think about in 1946.

You forget about the vast US and UK resources available to quickly design and build jet aircraft and engines.

Any leads the Germans had in this area (in 1945) were going to be short lived.

Soren · 03-12-2007, 03:58 PM

The P.1101 certainly seems a winning design, eventhough the US attempt at replicating it was a faliure.

Udet · 03-12-2007, 04:10 PM

A clarification:

The Me 262 was not designed for the purpose of dealing with a specific type of enemy plane. It was designed pretty much with the idea of dealing with any flying thing the enemy had it his disposal.

This comparison is interesting of course, several well grounded opinions around here, the fact yet remains only the Germans, and only them proved capable of putting a jet plane into combat action.

I do not care if the bugs on the Me 262 were not yet entirely eliminated, neither the Brits with the hangar lady Gloster Meteor, nor the USAers with the P-80 could press their jets into effective combat action.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 03-12-2007, 04:15 PM

I disagree some what there.

For the British and the US it was not a matter of not being able to put jet fighters into combat in WW2.

The Meteor was ready for combat and did fly on missions. It just enver engaged and enemy aircraft. The P-80 had reliablity issues just as the Me-262 did as well, however if needed it would have flown in combat.

I think it is more of a safer bet to say the allies did not have a reason to rush a jet fighter into combat like the Germans did. The Me-262 was rushed into combat before she was ready.

Gnomey · 03-12-2007, 04:18 PM

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I disagree some what there.

For the British and the US it was not a matter of not being able to put jet fighters into combat in WW2.

The Meteor was ready for combat and did fly on missions. It just enver engaged and enemy aircraft. The P-80 had reliablity issues just as the Me-262 did as well, however if needed it would have flown in combat.

I think it is more of a safer bet to say the allies did not have a reason to rush a jet fighter into combat like the Germans did. The Me-262 was rushed into combat before she was ready.

Just what I was about to post. Exactly had the Allies needed to rush into deployment a jet fighter they could of but they didn't need to because they already had air superiority over much of Europe and felt that it wasn't necessary for them to rush them into operations before they were ready.

Soren · 03-12-2007, 04:39 PM

The Allies could've done it yes, however because of their lack of knowledge on the subject they would've ended up with a machine of no particular value. The P-80 was not a slow project at all if thats what you guys believe..