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06-01-2006, 12:09 PM
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| It was called rat catching, attacking 262s on take off or landing runs since they were the most vulnerable at that time. The reality is most 262 kills were made in this manner.
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06-01-2006, 12:37 PM
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#242 | | the old Sage
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Country:  | 1945 is getting coverd so please hold off the late spring of the year comments ok ? Rat Catching is coverd earlier when this was started up so I am advising for your reading pleasure to read past posts so this will not be a repeat
2 of January 45 no losses without any operations
3 of Janauary 45
Lt. Erich Kaiser is lost flying a 262A-2a from 2./KG(J)51 during a flight in the area of Lingen/Ems.
439 Typhoon squadron mix it up with Me 262A-2a's from KG 51 but no claims reported.
Major Rudi Sinner takes over command of Stab III./JG 7 from ace Erich Hohagen and moves with 11th staffel to Brandenburg-Briest. 9th staffel goes to Parchim and 10th staffel goes to Oranienburg. Theo Weissenberger takes over as CO of JG 7 from Macky Steinhoff and then the fun begins . . . . then the revenge on "FATTY"
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06-01-2006, 02:16 PM
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#243 | | the old Sage
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Country: | 5 January 45
pressing concerns by the US heavy bombardment generals of the continuation of the sightings of Jets in the air and that top priority for the US heavy bombers to plaster all Me 262/jet production and facilities.
another gruppe added to KG(J) 54's arsenal, not that it is going to help them much .............
6 Janaury no jet ops
7 January 10./EJG 2 pilot Unteroffizier Helmut Schmidt is injured during a crash of his Me 262 during landing approach. III./EJG 2 receives it's new Gruppenkommandeur Obst.Leutnant Heinz Bär.
8 January no jet ops but a silly order for the jabos of KG 51, with their jets to break up US P-47 formations to make them drop their bombs early ...........
9 Janaury no jet ops
10 Janaury 12 Me 262's from I./KG 51 support ground units around Hagenau. 2 pilots crash land their 262's one made out alive the last one killed.
11 Janaury no jet ops
12 Janaury 10./EJG 2 pilot Gefreiter Ferd Sagmeister killed near Kleinaitingen. (sp. ?)
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06-01-2006, 02:38 PM
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Country:  | Yep, that was the easiest way for allied pilots to catch 262's either on take-off or landing. Here is a painting of Yeager's jet kill...
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06-04-2006, 12:42 AM
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Gnomey, are you positive on this? So is that painting showing the alleged "jet kill" claimed by that loud mouth?
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06-04-2006, 10:06 AM
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#246 | | the old Sage
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Country: | Chuck Y. shot up this Kommando Nowotny jet and it crash-landed given as a kill to Chuck. Chuck also damaged 2 other jets before this incident on the same November 44 date while in combat. The jets were obviously overwhelmed by numbers of 357th fg Stangs
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06-05-2006, 03:23 AM
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| I think a Skyraider pilot got a Mig in Vietnam. Can't remember the exact circumstances, but I think he got jumped during a ground attack run. The Mig overshot the AD-1 just in time for the panicked Spad pilot to pull up and let everything loose. I mean everything. Ouch! | |
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06-05-2006, 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by V-1710 I think a Skyraider pilot got a Mig in Vietnam. Can't remember the exact circumstances, but I think he got jumped during a ground attack run. The Mig overshot the AD-1 just in time for the panicked Spad pilot to pull up and let everything loose. I mean everything. Ouch! | Actually 2 skyraiders shared the kill... http://skyraider.org/skyassn/sartape...ll/migkill.htm
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06-05-2006, 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Udet What the hell...
Gnomey, are you positive on this? So is that painting showing the alleged "jet kill" claimed by that loud mouth? | I agree about him being a big mouth - but he did get the kill.
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06-05-2006, 02:34 PM
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Country: | I also agree on him being a loud mouth. As for the kill I am not sure, it is a painting I have had on my computer for a long time and so can't remember the source.
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06-05-2006, 03:41 PM
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#251 | | the old Sage
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Country: | hmmm I just gave you Chuck Y's scenario. He got a confirmed and 2 others damaged in Nov. 44
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06-05-2006, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Erich hmmm I just gave you Chuck Y's scenario. He got a confirmed and 2 others damaged in Nov. 44 | That you did!!
Erich - to me you're word is golden! 
If I get a chance I'm going to start going through these and place them in chronological order.
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06-05-2006, 09:04 PM
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I think a Skyraider pilot got a Mig in Vietnam. Can't remember the exact circumstances, but I think he got jumped during a ground attack run. The Mig overshot the AD-1 just in time for the panicked Spad pilot to pull up and let everything loose. I mean everything. Ouch!
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06-05-2006, 09:32 PM
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Country:  | Yeager was a typical pilot he talked the talk but better then that he walked the walk he is the atypical fighter pilot better yet a supreme pilot
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06-05-2006, 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by pbfoot Yeager was a typical pilot he talked the talk but better then that he walked the walk he is the atypical fighter pilot better yet a supreme pilot | I had the pleasure of meeting him a few times, one of those lovely occasions he totally insulted and embarrassed a safety guy at the Edwards AFB aero club (the guy was an F-16 driver, test pilot and a USAF Major). It's one thing to be proud of your achievements (and there's no denying Yeager's place in aviation history) but there's another thing when you act like an arrogant @ss and insult people who politely bring up a safety issue (Yeager must of thought he was being second guessed, this Major was even humble and respectful after the insults) and I seen this behavior from him more than once.
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