 | PISTON ENGINE AIRCRAFT JET KILLS| Aviation Discuss PISTON ENGINE AIRCRAFT JET KILLS in the World War II - Aviation forums; Originally Posted by bf109 Emil
None...No 262 where shot down on the western front, unless an engine flamed out, ... |
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04-11-2008, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by bf109 Emil  None...No 262 where shot down on the western front, unless an engine flamed out, or where picked off on landing by P-51's. Allied pilots may claim as so...but German records indicate no pilots bailing out or shot down prior to an engine flame-out and speed reduced to around 300 mph | See below...
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Originally Posted by bf109 Emil I will have to have someone translate Gallands German Biography again, but will pass on...
a video of 262 that has a surprise to B17 crew...nice if never viewed before YouTube - Messerschmitt Me-262 Schwalbe/Sturmvogel
or if on youtube try this header...Messerschmitt Me-262 Schwalbe/Sturmvogel
bf109 Emil | The english version of his autobiography (by Constable/Toliver) read fine. What point are you trying to make with that utube link.. you know the actual combat footage was dominantly Fw 190 and the others maybe 109 or 110 - all slow closing speeds relative to a 262??
You know 262s went down at altitude for one of three reasons - mechanical malfunction to an egine rendering it vulnerable to everything, brain malfunction by pilot deciding to engage in the horizonta, and finally a victim of great shooting?
If I am standing still and you fly past me at 100MPH, and I can boot a little rudder and pull deflection on you going away - how long do you suppose you are in range of 6x50 or 8x50 or 4x20mm?
Or you are closing from below and behind, don't see me, and I pull a diving pursuit curve to close from your 3 to 5 o'clock and pull deflection, you suppose you might be vulnerable for maybe 3 to 4 seconds? | 
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Country: | man I am repeating myslef again, look JV 44 was not an elite group there were cadre from all the fighter and bomber squadrons some not even with medals on theri chests, also JV 44 did not carry R4M's as you say all the time, this was also the case for I. and III./JG 7 who usually carried them as they put them first into practice on 18 March 1945. sorry but after JG 26 Galland was confined as inspector of day fighters on the ground until he got back in the cockpit of a 262 in JV 44, no time in the air so not sure where you get he shadowed US bomber formations in a 110 or 210 as he would be meat to US escorts, that's wrong
you need to get some 262 resources in your library, sorry bud I've been doing this way too long and a book of mine is preparation at the moment if you couldn't tell by this thread, just on all of this which will be much more indepth than Mr. Hess's with many first person accts
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Country:  | CW CAG ops off Korea record only one, possibly two Migs lost to the Furies
"FAA pilot Lieutenant Peter "Hoagy" Carmichael Royal Navy downed a MiG-15 jet fighter in air-to-air combat, making the Sea Fury one of the few prop-driven fighter aircraft to shoot down a jet-powered fighter."
There is also an unsubstantiated claim that a second Mig was shot down that day.
Having said that the Furies and the Fireflies being operated by the CW TG were quite able to survive in Mig Alley. This drew some praise from the US commander afloat as I understand it. | |
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