 | PISTON ENGINE AIRCRAFT JET KILLS| Aviation Discuss PISTON ENGINE AIRCRAFT JET KILLS in the World War II - Aviation forums; I would not have enjoyed flying a 162. Plus the whole having to bail out thing with a turbo jet ... |
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05-19-2005, 03:51 PM
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#106 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | I would not have enjoyed flying a 162. Plus the whole having to bail out thing with a turbo jet right behind you!
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05-19-2005, 04:07 PM
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#107 | | Senior Member
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| The He-162 is often misunderstood. Itīs a pretty plane. Most accidents (far less than Me-262) can be connected with planes running out of fuel. The bail out is also not very problematic, since the He-162 was one of the first planes to be serial equipped with an ejector seat. You just need to ensure that the canopy is released prior to ejecting.
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05-19-2005, 04:09 PM
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#108 | | the old Sage
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Country:  | there has been no confirmation of any He 162 kills by the JG 1 authors, Dr. Jochen Prien nor Eric Mombeek or even the detailed "official keeper" of the kills listing, Hans Ring.
plain and simple the He 162 was a flying pile of crap
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05-19-2005, 04:13 PM
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#109 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | I was never to fond of it. I just dont like the whole jet plane being built out of wood!
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05-19-2005, 05:05 PM
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#110 | | Senior Member
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| Well, not the whole plane was made of wood, the fuselage was metal , the wing and tail was partly made of metal (controll surfaces) and mainly made of wood. According to Eric Brown, an RAF test pilot, who flew most early jets (Meteor MK III, MK IV, D.H. Vampire, Me-262, He-162, P-59 and P-80) the He-162 was the best of them.
I disagree that it is (...more than a Me-262...) a death trap, but we may discuss it on another board if needed.
Official confirmations havenīt made by Luftwaffe (except for Kirchner, but posthumus) for He-162 claims, but there are eyewitnesses in most cases, which implie that it could be. Verification is needed.
I wonder about Dr. J. Prien that he doesnīt refer to the flight log of Schmitt, which support his claim with an entry "...Tempest effectively shot". Schmitts claim can be connected with a Tempest of No.222 squadron lost by a small jet plane (pilot F.G. Austin KIA) over northwestern Germany at May 4th,1945. Dickfelds claim is also his 136th aerial victory.
With 5 out of 6 claims unconfirmed and only one confirmed it is easier to disprove one claim than to disprove the other five. However, itīs not that easy, I think.
I found out that F/O Walkington of No.222 squadron (Tempest) on 19th of april strafed Husum airfield (an airfield of JG 1), where he chased a small jet plane. Subsequent analysis of combat records and gun camera film revealed that this airplane was a He-162. One of those rare He-162 kills.
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05-19-2005, 05:09 PM
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#111 | | the old Sage
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Country: | many accidents by JG 1 pilots through the canopy due to faulty ejection seat and canopy release. the He 162 shouldn't even be mentioned in this thread...........
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05-19-2005, 05:42 PM
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| All planes rushed into combat suffer from technical disadvantages. JG-1 lost 13 He-162, killing 10 pilots. Only 3 of these losses can be connected in anyway with enemy actions (2 kills and one probably), 5 losses by planes running out of fuel, 2 planes by terminal dive, 2 by landing accident and one more because of unknown reasons (probably structural). in 5 known cases the ejection seat was used, at least on two times the canopy failed to relaese automaticly and killing the pilot. Schmitt himself used succesfully the ejection seat (probably running out of fuel on april). Compare this with the losses of Kdo. Nowotny and you will feel more secure in a He-162.
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05-19-2005, 06:39 PM
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#113 | | the old Sage
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Country: | At the time of the He 162 1945, I will surely take the Me 262. there is no comparison
ok back to the jet kills by Allied piston jobs; now where is that fg report I had in my hands ?
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05-19-2005, 07:00 PM
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05-20-2005, 03:20 AM
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| Well one mongolian officer shot down an airplane with 2 riffle rounds. A german one. And it is true. | |
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05-20-2005, 09:50 AM
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#116 | | the old Sage
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Country: | I think I need to to do some editing on this thread............
Huie Lambs report this afternoon and then we can get this thing back on track
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05-22-2005, 01:45 PM
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#117 | | Der Crewchief
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__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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05-22-2005, 02:15 PM
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#118 | | the old Sage
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Country: | Eagle go back a page. we got sidetracked with the fatal he 162 so Huie's report is coming to fruition this next week along with some others. I think we left off in November/December 44.
have no fear I will list some interesting tidbits, but have two broken ribs that are giving me some problems right now.........got sinch that up
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05-22-2005, 02:58 PM
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#119 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Oh man, sorry about ribs. What the hell did you do to break them?
__________________ US Army Blackhawk Crewchief 2000-2006 Classic ww2aircraft.net quotes: fly boy said: "isn't that the first jet bomber? becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles" "wait what ok who made the b-2 crash come on people that messed up its a b-2" "ah yes the mistel those things are so annoying is games and in real life" | |
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05-22-2005, 03:09 PM
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#120 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | and how bad is it??
i think i speak for all of us when i say i wish you a speedy recovery.........
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