 | PISTON ENGINE AIRCRAFT JET KILLS| Aviation Discuss PISTON ENGINE AIRCRAFT JET KILLS in the World War II - Aviation forums; Let's try to list all the piston engine aircraft jet kills recorded. WW2 will be the emphasis, but let'... |
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05-10-2005, 03:22 PM
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#1 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Let's try to list all the piston engine aircraft jet kills recorded. WW2 will be the emphasis, but let's try to get some in the post WW2 era. Photos welcomed, remember your source!
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05-10-2005, 03:32 PM
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#2 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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363rd FS of the 357th Fighter Group
02-09-45 - Fulda, Germany: Me-262 Victory
04-18-45 - Prague, Czech: Me-262 Victory
F/O Charles Brantley (100th FS)
1 ME 262 Jet Destroyed March 24,1945
Capt. Roscoe Brown (100th SF)
1 ME 262 Jet (Destroyed March 24, 1945
Lt. Earl Lane (100th FS)
1 ME 262 Jet (Destroyed March 24, 1945
(Tuskegee Airmen)
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05-10-2005, 03:42 PM
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| Could everyone also list the allied aircraft that was the kill instrument as well?
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05-10-2005, 03:45 PM
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#4 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Originally Posted by DAVIDICUS Could everyone also list the allied aircraft that was the kill instrument as well? | Sure, if you have that data.
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05-10-2005, 05:06 PM
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#5 | | the old Sage
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Country: | I posted a ton of info including pics in older postings about the Me 262. Several US aces and airmen are personal friends. About 13 or so jet killers of the US AF are still living. I am seeing two this August to my north.
One a pilot from the 56th fg and the other from the 354th fg
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05-10-2005, 05:29 PM
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| Those kills from the 339th and 363rd would have been P-51's.
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#8 | | the old Sage
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Country: | Actually Ivan was one of 3 Soviets that downed a Me 262.
I was planning on writing up a book on jet killers so I'll dump some more goodies here by weekend-sunday or so.
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there were approximately 29 Me 262's and several Ar 234's destroyed as claims by RAF single engine fighters
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05-10-2005, 07:45 PM
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#9 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Originally Posted by Erich Actually Ivan was one of 3 Soviets that downed a Me 262.
I was planning on writing up a book on jet killers so I'll dump some more goodies here by weekend-sunday or so.
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there were approximately 29 Me 262's and several Ar 234's destroyed as claims by RAF single engine fighters | Thanks Erich, appreciate you sharing them! 
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05-11-2005, 02:30 AM
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#10 | | | I'd be interested in any info on the effectiveness of the .50 M23 incendairy round which was deployed in late 1944 or early 1945 specifically to kill the jets. It had a muzzle velocity of about 1100 m/s, weighed 34.5 grams (quite a bit less than the ~44 gram M8 API), almost 6 grams of IM28 (a more potent incendiary metal than IM11), but an effective range for incendiary effect of only about 500 feet.
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05-11-2005, 11:01 AM
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#11 | | Master of Ewes
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Since the close of WWII Britian's Fleet air arm has shot down 25 enemy aircraft, and 24 of these were over the falklands, so where's the other one??
Easy- over Korea. An FAA Hawker Sea Fury, the pilot of which i don't know, managed to shoot down a MiG-15..............
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#12 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass The one i know anything about is post war.
Since the close of WWII Britian's Fleet air arm has shot down 25 enemy aircraft, and 24 of these were over the falklands, so where's the other one??
Easy- over Korea. An FAA Hawker Sea Fury, the pilot of which i don't know, managed to shoot down a MiG-15.............. | I heard of this too, anybody else got info 
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| I *believe* the Fury was from 801 Sqn FAA. The carrier Im not sure of, although a rusty memory suggests it was Invincible or Illustrious. If anyone could correct/clarify, that would be cool!
(Am technically revising for a continental philosophy exam at the moment, so dont have time for a full look-up!  )
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05-11-2005, 12:48 PM
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#14 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Originally Posted by BombTaxi I *believe* the Fury was from 801 Sqn FAA. The carrier Im not sure of, although a rusty memory suggests it was Invincible or Illustrious. If anyone could correct/clarify, that would be cool!
(Am technically revising for a continental philosophy exam at the moment, so dont have time for a full look-up! ) | From the Air War Museum website:
"Sea Furies served extensively in the Korean War, operating from Royal Navy carriers HMS Glory, HMS Ocean and HMS Theseus, and Australian carrier HMAS Sydney. They usually paired with Fairey Fireflies for ground attack missions. The Sea Fury excelled in this role, often proving superior to the enemy’s modern jets. For example, on August 9, 1952, Royal Navy Lieutenant “Hoagy” Carmichael, flying a Sea Fury of HMS Ocean’s 802 Squadron, shot down a Soviet-built North Korean Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG 15, marking the first such kill by a piston-engined fighter, and the only air-to-air kill by a British pilot flying a British aircraft in the Korean War."
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| I stand corrected...although I was almost right on the squadron!  
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