Plane A vs. Plane A - Aircraft of World War II

magnocain · 07-10-2008, 01:02 AM

Was there ever an incident in WW2 (or any other war) where an aircraft fought another aircraft of the same type? Something like a Finnish P-36 fighting a British P-36. Did a plan ever fight itself?

comiso90 · 07-10-2008, 06:20 AM

Egypt and israel... spitfire vis spitfire
All Known Israeli Air Combat Victories

El Salvador and Hondoras... P-51's and F4U's in The Football War

Spanish Civil War... Nieuport-Delage NiD-52 and others

Njaco · 07-10-2008, 07:35 AM

When Hitler invaded Yugoslavia, the Royal Yugoslav Air Force were using Bf 109Es against the Luftwaffe.

Heres a site that lists the Yugoslav aces...
Air Aces Homepage

Neutral Switzerland also had German machines that were used to protect their borders. Whenever hostile aircraft, such as German fighters or bombers crossed into their airspace, a few battles raged.

A quik ref from wiki......

"On 10 May 1940, air combat between Switzerland and Germany was initiated. Several Swiss Bf 109s engaged a German Dornier Do 17 near the border at Bütschwil; in the ensuing exchange of fire, the Dornier was hit and eventually forced to land near Altenrhein.

On 1 June the Flugwaffe dispatched 12 Bf 109 E-1s to engage 36 unescorted German Heinkel He 111s of Kampfgeschwader 53 that were crossing Swiss airspace to attack the Lyon - Marseilles railway system. The Swiss Air force sustained its first casualty in the engagement when Sub Lieutenant Rudolf Rickenbacher was killed when the fuel tank of his Bf 109 exploded after being hit by the Heinkel's return fire. However the Swiss Emils shot down six He 111s.

On 8 June, a C-35 observation aircraft, an antiquated biplane, was attacked over the Jura Mountains by two German Bf 110s; the pilot and observer were killed. Later on the same day, Swiss Captain Lindecker led about 15 Swiss Emils to intercept a formation of German He 111s escorted by II./Zerstörergeschwader 1's Bf 110s. The engagement resulted in five Bf 110s being shot down (including the Staffelkapitän Gerhard Kadow) for the loss of one Swiss Bf 109.

Chocks away! · 07-10-2008, 07:40 AM

German Bf-109s fought against Romanian ones when they changed sides, 1944-1945.

Thorlifter · 07-10-2008, 07:41 AM

If memory serves, the last recorded kill of a Corsair came from a Corsair in, as Comiso pointed out, the Football war.

JugBR · 07-10-2008, 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by comiso90

Egypt and israel... spitfire vis spitfire
All Known Israeli Air Combat Victories

El Salvador and Hondoras... P-51's and F4U's in The Football War

Spanish Civil War... Nieuport-Delage NiD-52 and others

lolllll interesting name, ill research about that war !

Thorlifter · 07-10-2008, 08:33 AM

Try this.......

El Salvador Honduras War 1969

Wayne Little · 07-10-2008, 08:38 AM

Just reading about such an incident.....
German Ace Hans-Ekkehard Bob flying a Bf109E-4 shot down a Bf109E-3 of the Yugoslavian Air Force for his 20th victory, April 6th 1941.

magnocain · 07-10-2008, 12:23 PM

Thanks for the info.

kool kitty89 · 07-10-2008, 06:50 PM

I believe Finnish 109's fought German 109's after switching sides as well.

THe Finns also had Hurricanes (Mk.I's), but they never met Russian Hurricanes in combat.

Oreo · 07-19-2008, 12:59 AM

The Finnish Air Force is a huge source of such possibilities. Finnish Hurricanes against Russian Hurricanes. Now, P-40's fought against P-36's from the same factory at operation Torch. Also, in Finland, Finnish P-36's fought Russian P-40's. The Finns managed to capture a bunch of Polykarpov fighters and ended up using them against the Russians, who flew mostly those types up there at that time. One of most amazing ones was the He 115's of the Luftwaffe fighting against He 115's of Norway in 1940, and the pilots mistaking each other for friend or foe.

Mangrove · 07-20-2008, 03:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oreo

The Finnish Air Force is a huge source of such possibilities.

- I-153 vs. I-153
- LaGG-3 vs. LaGG-3
- Finnish Hurricanes fought at the same section of the (Carelian) Front as the Soviet ones but didn't meet.
- Finnish DBs, SBs and Pe2s against same types on the ground.

Martti

DAVIDICUS · 07-28-2009, 12:51 AM

After Italy fell, were Italian fighters facing each other?

Tzaw1 · 07-28-2009, 01:10 AM

Soviet FW 190 vs German FW 190. But is no clearly, whether really so was.

Colin1 · 07-28-2009, 02:34 AM

32 Sqn Spitfires
got involved with Egyptian raiders, also in Spitfires at Ramat David in 1948.
They'd already hit the airfield once and got away with it. The second time around they weren't so lucky and the RAF got some planes off. Unfortunately for the Egyptians, who were flying Mk IXs, 32 Sqn were flying Mk XVIIIs. The engagement was simplified by the complete lack of evasive manoeuvres from the raiders, who flew like they were the only planes in the sky. The RAF closed them down and destroyed sitting targets from very short range. They paused with the last of them only to pull alongside and identify the nationality of the raiders from the aircraft markings (again, no attempt at evasion), having established this, the tasked Mk XVIII pulled back and destroyed the last one.

The Luftwaffe occasionally put up downed Allied fighters against the bomber streams. At least one Tuskegee airmen engaged a P-51 in his own P-51.

07-10-2008, 01:02 AM	#1
magnocain Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 395	Plane A vs. Plane A Was there ever an incident in WW2 (or any other war) where an aircraft fought another aircraft of the same type? Something like a Finnish P-36 fighting a British P-36. Did a plan ever fight itself? __________________ Four hostile newspapers are more to be feared than a thousand bayonets. --Napoleon Bonaparte--

07-10-2008, 06:20 AM	#2
comiso90 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: FL Posts: 3,506	Egypt and israel... spitfire vis spitfire All Known Israeli Air Combat Victories El Salvador and Hondoras... P-51's and F4U's in The Football War Spanish Civil War... Nieuport-Delage NiD-52 and others __________________ http://www.BOOKSonWAR.com/ . Last edited by comiso90; 07-10-2008 at 06:41 AM.

07-10-2008, 07:35 AM	#3
Njaco The Pop-Tart Whisperer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: South Jersey, United States Posts: 11,770	When Hitler invaded Yugoslavia, the Royal Yugoslav Air Force were using Bf 109Es against the Luftwaffe. Heres a site that lists the Yugoslav aces... Air Aces Homepage Neutral Switzerland also had German machines that were used to protect their borders. Whenever hostile aircraft, such as German fighters or bombers crossed into their airspace, a few battles raged. A quik ref from wiki...... "On 10 May 1940, air combat between Switzerland and Germany was initiated. Several Swiss Bf 109s engaged a German Dornier Do 17 near the border at Bütschwil; in the ensuing exchange of fire, the Dornier was hit and eventually forced to land near Altenrhein. On 1 June the Flugwaffe dispatched 12 Bf 109 E-1s to engage 36 unescorted German Heinkel He 111s of Kampfgeschwader 53 that were crossing Swiss airspace to attack the Lyon - Marseilles railway system. The Swiss Air force sustained its first casualty in the engagement when Sub Lieutenant Rudolf Rickenbacher was killed when the fuel tank of his Bf 109 exploded after being hit by the Heinkel's return fire. However the Swiss Emils shot down six He 111s. On 8 June, a C-35 observation aircraft, an antiquated biplane, was attacked over the Jura Mountains by two German Bf 110s; the pilot and observer were killed. Later on the same day, Swiss Captain Lindecker led about 15 Swiss Emils to intercept a formation of German He 111s escorted by II./Zerstörergeschwader 1's Bf 110s. The engagement resulted in five Bf 110s being shot down (including the Staffelkapitän Gerhard Kadow) for the loss of one Swiss Bf 109. __________________ "If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it's English, thank a soldier!" http://www.njcacoa.org/

07-10-2008, 07:40 AM	#4
Chocks away! Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cyprus Posts: 334	German Bf-109s fought against Romanian ones when they changed sides, 1944-1945. __________________ And now for something completely different...

07-10-2008, 07:41 AM	#5
Thorlifter Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Dallas, Tx Posts: 4,693	If memory serves, the last recorded kill of a Corsair came from a Corsair in, as Comiso pointed out, the Football war. __________________

07-10-2008, 08:33 AM	#7
Thorlifter Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Dallas, Tx Posts: 4,693	Try this....... El Salvador Honduras War 1969 __________________

07-10-2008, 08:38 AM	#8
Wayne Little Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Adelaide Sth. Aust. Posts: 14,707	Just reading about such an incident..... German Ace Hans-Ekkehard Bob flying a Bf109E-4 shot down a Bf109E-3 of the Yugoslavian Air Force for his 20th victory, April 6th 1941. __________________

07-10-2008, 12:23 PM	#9
magnocain Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 395	Thanks for the info. __________________ Four hostile newspapers are more to be feared than a thousand bayonets. --Napoleon Bonaparte--

07-10-2008, 06:50 PM	#10
kool kitty89 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,412	I believe Finnish 109's fought German 109's after switching sides as well. THe Finns also had Hurricanes (Mk.I's), but they never met Russian Hurricanes in combat.

07-19-2008, 12:59 AM	#11
Oreo Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: South Carolina Posts: 277	The Finnish Air Force is a huge source of such possibilities. Finnish Hurricanes against Russian Hurricanes. Now, P-40's fought against P-36's from the same factory at operation Torch. Also, in Finland, Finnish P-36's fought Russian P-40's. The Finns managed to capture a bunch of Polykarpov fighters and ended up using them against the Russians, who flew mostly those types up there at that time. One of most amazing ones was the He 115's of the Luftwaffe fighting against He 115's of Norway in 1940, and the pilots mistaking each other for friend or foe.

07-28-2009, 12:51 AM	#13
DAVIDICUS Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 878	After Italy fell, were Italian fighters facing each other? __________________ . -=DAVIDICUS MAXIMUS=- .

07-28-2009, 01:10 AM	#14
Tzaw1 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Warszawa Posts: 232	Soviet FW 190 vs German FW 190. But is no clearly, whether really so was. __________________ 'How much is two plus two?' 'Seven,' replies the machine.

07-28-2009, 02:34 AM	#15
Colin1 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 2,416	32 Sqn Spitfires got involved with Egyptian raiders, also in Spitfires at Ramat David in 1948. They'd already hit the airfield once and got away with it. The second time around they weren't so lucky and the RAF got some planes off. Unfortunately for the Egyptians, who were flying Mk IXs, 32 Sqn were flying Mk XVIIIs. The engagement was simplified by the complete lack of evasive manoeuvres from the raiders, who flew like they were the only planes in the sky. The RAF closed them down and destroyed sitting targets from very short range. They paused with the last of them only to pull alongside and identify the nationality of the raiders from the aircraft markings (again, no attempt at evasion), having established this, the tasked Mk XVIII pulled back and destroyed the last one. The Luftwaffe occasionally put up downed Allied fighters against the bomber streams. At least one Tuskegee airmen engaged a P-51 in his own P-51.

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