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05-28-2006, 11:32 AM
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#16 | | the old Sage
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the Mossie was shot down by a Ju 88G-6 from 12./NJG 2, Fw. Mangelsdorf. I have a pic of him and his crew by their Ju 88G. Hooters father was the pilot of the Mossie as the radio op was KIA | 
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06-02-2006, 01:17 AM
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Nice info on all the times those bombers crashed in specific missions is quite interesting.
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06-02-2006, 11:05 AM
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06-11-2006, 02:18 PM
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sorry for not being back-but unbelievably since i joined my father died-not totally unexpected being 85-but being robbed of the last few weeks was difficult-he said he managed to gain an extra 61 years.
So i am left with the monumental task of trying to write down the things he told me-to tell some truths and let the great grand children know about the most remarkable man I ever met, that they have missed.
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06-11-2006, 02:29 PM
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Country: | the book to read-because his account in his own words is in there-is page 168/169- 'confounding the reich' by martin w bowman and tom cushing
He, flt Lt Tommie Smith, was detailed to an Ash patrol to Stendal fighter airfield near berlin on the night of 16/17 january-after a fruitless night they set course for home-but over the area of the steinhuder lake they came across an airfield with aircraft with nav. lights on-and went in to have a bash (his words) -the germans did tell him that it was two quads at the end of the runway that did for him (they said eight guns) at 200 ft-they were firing at his muzzle flashes from his canon-guys if you post let me know by email if allowed-Im an engineer that works unsociable hours away alot-so my computer time is limited | |
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06-11-2006, 02:39 PM
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Country: | If you want information from his pilots log let me know-i havent had time to read it-it was all filled with names and photographs-a big detective story-I would love to find more about the german side of what happened-after the war dad sent food parcels to the german corporal who showed much kindness to him-I have a picture of the corporal beside his trucks-dad was destrought when the guy disappeared after the end of the war-letters from him stopped coming and he was behind, I think, the iron curtain-first is to find out more about the site of the initial incident-then where my father was taken after, via the gestapo-the only thing he never spoke about to any member of the family, to a convent hospital near fassberg | |
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06-11-2006, 02:52 PM
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Country: | If I've got this right there should be an attachment of the man himself-who had written on the back that he didnt normally look so serious-any ideas on the plane?
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06-11-2006, 03:40 PM
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#23 | | the old Sage
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Country: | post away please hooter ! am I correct that your fathers Mossie was shot down by a German nf ? as I posted on the other page.
16/17 January 45
German Nf defences claimed 19 RAF bombers with inclusion of 1 Mosquito VI. the German pilot was Rudolf Mangelsdorf at 22.11 hrs. his other kill this eve was at 22.05 hrs over a Halifax south of Hannover.
Oblt. Wiethüchter of III./NJG 3 claiamed a Hali near Magdeburg
Hptm. von Tesmar of IV./NJG 3 claimed a Hali near Dduerstadt
Hptm Dreher claimed hali from IV./NJG 3
Feldwebel Rannefeld of IV./NJG 3 claimed a Hali
Leutnanat Schäfer of 7./NJG 2 claimed 2 kills, the first at 22.03 hrs a Lanc and the other also a Lanc at 22.14 hrs both RAF craft S.E. of Hildesheim
Oberstlt. Walter Borchers of STab./NJG 5 flying a Ju 88G-6 shot dwon 3 Lancsters
Oberlt. Ehrhardt of I./NJG 5 shyot down a Hali
Hauptmann Werner Hopf of III./NJG 5 shot down 3 Hali's.
Oberlt. Breitfeld of III./NJG 5 shot down 2 Hali's
Oblt. Kurt Welter and the two kills are suspect...........flying a Me 262A-1a shot down 2 Lancasters
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06-11-2006, 03:52 PM
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Country: | Erich, I think he was implying that his Dad got smoked by a double-quad anti-aircraft battery on the edge of the airfield...
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06-11-2006, 03:58 PM
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Country: | Hi Erich,
no not nightfighters-but flak from the two towers at the end of the runway-the germans did credit him with 3 kills, all ME109's-actually 1 destroyed, 1 damaged, and the third spun out and blew up-dads pilot number was 100750 and his navigator was A C Cockayne (both with 23 squadron)-now buried in Becklingen War Cemetary.
He lost one engine immediately-climbed, feathered the prop-and then the other one stopped-and all thoughts of back to blighty stopped too-then began the crash landing and the five miracles that my father reckoned saved his life-the first was finding a snow covered field over the black forrest and crash landing without blowing up immediately at 300mph
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06-11-2006, 04:25 PM
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#26 | | the old Sage
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Country: | hmmmmmm, ok lets get this stright shall we. Was your dad on a night mission over Stendal airfield or a day time mission as you mention 3 ground kills ?
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06-11-2006, 04:30 PM
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#27 | | the old Sage
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Country: | I am correct you fathers a/c was indeed shot down by a German Ju 88G-6 not ground based flakvierling. just looked up the German information although terribly brief to me from Germany as well as Holland ........crahs liste as 21.30 hrs but German time is a bit different / crashed near Bekedorf.
Code and squadron of the German claim match perfectly along with the F/O whom you said. I have a pick of manglesdorf and his crew plus their Ju 88 G | |
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06-11-2006, 04:41 PM
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#28 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | Excellent researching Erich..... Are u able to post the pic???
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06-11-2006, 04:43 PM
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#29 | | the old Sage
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Country: | side notation : have just sent out two e-mails to two Danish research friends on this incident so should be enlightening if Rudi's claim is confirmed or Stendal Flakvierlings !
III./NJG 2 as a gruppe was based at Marx and Varel
but again I need to confirm just what gruppe Rudi was in for sure as it may have been IV./NJG 3 or ?
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06-11-2006, 04:45 PM
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