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Aviation Discuss Rear-Engine Pusher Fighter? in the World War II - Aviation forums; P-39/63 would've made a cool US "Saab 21" after adding some booms & empenage - just stumbled at the proposal ...

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    P-39/63 would've made a cool US "Saab 21" after adding some booms & empenage - just stumbled at the proposal @ the 'net



    added: A wind tunnel model, allegedly of such a machine, pic from Wikipedia:
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    This falls into the "paper airplane" category but Bell had two pusher designs that got a "P" designation; P-52 and P-59 (not to be confused with the P-59A jet).

    The P-52 which was similar to the Saab 21 and Vultee XP-54, was to be powered with the Continental IV-1430. The aircraft was redesigned and re-powered with the R-2800. The redesign resulted in a new designation of P-59. I am fairly certain the wind tunnel model posted above is of the P-59 (which you are probably aware of).

    To be sneaky, "P-59" was reused for the United States first jet, the P-59A (powered by England).

    Now, if we want to go paper pusher airplanes and go big, hunt down the Curtiss XP-71. Below (hopefully) is an image of the XP-71 when it was to be powered by Wright R-2160 Tornados. Later on it was re-engined for R-4360s.

    Rear-Engine Pusher Fighter?-xp71.jpg

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    These are very 'paper plane' but show some examples of the British experimenting, including how to address the baling out issue:

    Rear-Engine Pusher Fighter?-bp-eject.jpg

    Rear-Engine Pusher Fighter?-bp-p99.jpg

    Rear-Engine Pusher Fighter?-bp-p100.jpg

    Rear-Engine Pusher Fighter?-gloster.jpg

    You can view them on the link here:

    AeroScale :: WW2 British Secret Projects Vol. 1 by Peter Allen

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    From "Secret projects of tomo pauk", vol.394, the P-39 pusher.
    Additional pair of HMGs aside of wheels; perhaps additional fuel in booms to compensate for expanded ammo in front. Or maybe putting the HMGs into booms? Since the engine is turned front-to-back, air inlet is at hull side.
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    From the same book, Northrop pusher:
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    I think Brewster had a proposed fighter with an engine in the back, I need to dig it out and see.



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    It seems that for a ground attack aircraft a forward-placed cockpit may be advantageous.

    For example, see Wikipedia page for the Henschel Hs 129, where it says "The aircraft was expected to be attacking its targets directly in low-level strafing runs, so the cockpit had to be located as close as possible to the nose in order to see the ground."
    Henschel Hs 129 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    A rear-engine pusher aircraft might be able to fullfull this requirement.

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    There were a number of proposals in various countries for such aircraft including this post war French aircraft.

    http://www.avionslegendaires.net/Images/Gpotez75.jpg

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    ummm, one of the more famous "pusher" aircraft of WWII.

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    I know where the center of thrust is in the case of a prop aircraft.

    Where is the center of thrust for a jet, or rocket ? At the Exhaust ?

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    The McDonnell Model 1 was designed around the R-40C competition that gave us the XP-54, XP-55 and XP-56 (as well as the Bell XP-52/59). It had a fuselage mounted engine (P&W X-1800, Wright R-2160 or Allison V-3420) driving a pair of wing mounted pusher props via right angle drives and extension safts. It wasn't selected for further development, but got the USAAF interested enough to get McDonnell to design Model 2, which became the XP-67.

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